What is the deal with surplus gun shops?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by TruthsRazors, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. TruthsRazors

    TruthsRazors New Member

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    What is the deal with buying stuff from a surplus gun shop? Do you have to have any certain type of license? I always see FFL License Required on their websites; can i not purchase anything without one?
     
  2. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Well, depends on what you want to buy, and where. If you are face-to-face with a dealer (surplus or otherwise), buy what strikes your fancy. Over the internet, buy whatever surplus you like- EXCEPT FIREARMS. Any firearm made since 1899 that is sold across a state line must pass thru a FFL holder. Find something you like, have a local dealer order for you, gets shipped to him, you do paperwork with him. The ONLY exception that I know of is buying from the Civilian Marksmanship Program- they CAN ship a rifle directly to you, but there is still paperwork to do.
     

  3. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    When you see "FFL required," look to see what it says. You're looking for "03FFL." That is the Collector of Curios and Relics license. Anyone who can pass a background check can get one from the BATFE for $30. They're good for three years. This FFL will allow you to buy directly from online dealers of guns over fifty years old, or listed on the C&R list put out by the BATFE. Guns will be mailed directly to your door!!!! :D

    Some online vendors will also give you discounts on other items. The 03FFL is a great way to collect surplus and older weapons...and to go broke. :p
     
  4. TruthsRazors

    TruthsRazors New Member

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    So if i understand correctly as long as I am not purchasing firearms online I do not need the ffl license. Is that correct?
     
  5. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    Some sites want you to register anyway and you can't see prices and such without doing so, like Southern Ohio Gun. The CMP website states you must be a member of an affiliated group to buy ammo. If you belong to your state shooting sports association or rifle and pistol association you qualify. Here's a list of their affiliated members.

    There are plenty of online ammo dealers if that's all you're looking for:

    Graf and Sons

    J&G Sales

    SurplusAmmo.com

    Ammoman.com

    Cheaper Than Dirt

    The websites will list the purchase requirements. There's plenty more, just search for ammo dealers....
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    To add to what Scott said about the CMP, members (and retired members) of the Armed Forces meet their requirements for associations and participation. Matter of fact, if you are an officer, a copy of your ID card also meets the requirements for citizenship.

    If you are buying something besides a firearm on line, then FFL not required. And yes, an 03 C&R FFL is a lot of fun. downside- you stay broke!
     
  7. TruthsRazors

    TruthsRazors New Member

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    Actually the reason I ask is because I am going to buy a rifle, AK, and am trying to decide if I want to go through a surplus gun shop or pick one up at a gun show.
     
  8. SlamFire

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    "Curio & Relic" applies to certain classes of firearms. Being "more than fifty year old" is no criterion. The age criterion is mfg'd before 1899 -- and that's not about how old it is, it's about when it was mfg'd. The date was 1899 ten years ago, and will be 1899 ten years hence.

    Makarov pistols and I think maybe CZ-52 used to be Curio & Relic. A lot of Mausers and Mosins are "C & R" . . .

    You get a "C & R" license from the BATF and then keep purchases recorded in a "bound book." This does not provide you a license to become a distributor of "C & R."
     
  9. WDB

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    Truth the easy answer is to pick it up at a gun show, most shows will qualify you to be a buyer but it's far easier and better as you get to inspect your purchase in hand prior to making the deal.
     
  10. TruthsRazors

    TruthsRazors New Member

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    Thats probably what I will do then. Thanks for the info everyone i really appreciate it. I learned alot.
     
  11. Benning Boy

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    If you are in Southern Ohio, check out Southern Ohio Gun. They offer a variety of AKs, which I assume would be no trouble for you to pick up.

    For me, gun shows are way overpriced on everything but ammo and ninja weapons. And I'm not so sure about ninja weapons.;)

    Give Sog a lookover, I've done transactions with them and can't speak highly enough about them.
     
  12. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    Not quite. Antique firearms are classified as pre 1898, Curio and Relic is: "A firearm manufactured at least 50 years prior to the current date or certified by the curator of a
    municipal, State, or Federal museum, or that derives a
    substantial part of its monetary value from the fact that
    it is novel, rare, bizarre, or associated with some
    historical figure, period, or event." Straight from the BATFE website.

    "Firearms automatically attain curio or relic (C&R) status when they are 50 years old. Any firearm that is at least 50 years old, and in its original configuration, would qualify as a C&R firearm. It is not necessary for such firearms to be listed in ATF’s C&R list."

    They still are.
     
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