What is the biggest animal a 12 gauge buckshot double barrel shotgun can take down?

Discussion in 'General Shotgun Discussion' started by MP1000, Oct 1, 2009.

  1. MP1000

    MP1000 New Member

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    I'm assuming it can't take down an elephant, but correct me if i'm wrong. What's the biggest animal it can take down?

    Thanks!
     
  2. MP1000

    MP1000 New Member

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    I just want specify something. The only time I would ever shoot an elephant is in self defense.
     

  3. IGETEVEN

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    Deer, Elk and Black bear with smooth bore 12 gauge shotguns using rifled slugs, extremely accurate out to 110 yards or more, while the rifled barrel shotgun with the use of sabot slugs are typically accurate to 110 yards and beyond, well within the range of the majority of kill shots by experienced deer hunters using shotguns, usually in dense, brushy wooded areas. Larger bears I will have to say distance, slug load and possibly multiple shots, would play a big factor.

    To bring down a man, slugs or .00 buck at close range to head or chest will usually do, but other loads will suffice depending on range to target. A 12 gauge will usually do, but smaller gauges of shotguns and loads have been known to do the job also.

    If you happen to have access to a military Automatic Assault 12 gauge shotgun (AA-12) that shoots 12 gauge fragmentation high explosive rounds or slugs, though not a big game gun and I have never killed an elephant myself, a round placed in the right area of an elephant's head or chest/lung/heart area, it will probably bring it down, one shot, taking off part or more of its head. ;)

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xNPGvPa9NeQ&feature=related[/ame]

    Disclaimer: Please do not try this on an elephant. JFYI only.


    Jack
     
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  4. Dillinger

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    With enough force behind the slug, and put in the right place, probably about damn near anything.

    The elephant has a really small brain, but if you sent the slug through the eye ball and were able to hit it, I would imagine it would bring it down.

    Would it be safe to attempt, or even recommended? No. Not by a long shot.

    But anything with that kind of power behind that big of a slug has the POTENTIAL to end anything's life....

    What a weird question...:confused:
     
  5. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    It is not specific to the double barrel question, but the preferred weapon for many professional hunters in Africa when pursuing wounded lions in heavy cover is a 12ga pump shotgun loaded with 00 buck shot. Lions are big, tough and obviously dangerous.
     
  6. c3shooter

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    As Robo said- the 12 g has been referred to as "The Poor Man's Express Rifle". Realizing the SHARP limitation of range on shotgun vs rifle, and the even sharper limit of buckshot (about 40-50 yds on thin skinned critters), there is probably not an animal on the planet (with the POSSIBLE exception of a Blue Whale :D) that has not been killed with a 12 gauge shotgun.

    It would not be my first choice for a grizzly, but if one was in my tent, and gnawing on my Chuck Taylors, it would do.
     
  7. spittinfire

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    Within shotgun ranges, a 12ga with 00 buck is a hard hitting round. I would feel safe defending myself against anything in north america with it. I would prefer a pump with 5-8+ rounds over a double against something like brown bear but thats just me. The round itself is strong.
     
  8. BigByrd47119

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    Id probablynot feel safe given the specifications you gave, using it on anything the size of a bear or larger. Buckshots a good load, but I wouldnt expect it to stop Mr. Grizz in his tracks!
     
  9. davemccarthy707

    davemccarthy707 New Member

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    It's legal here to hunt moose with a 12 ga slug. Lots of guys use them and are very successful with them.
     
  10. Gojubrian

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    Has anyone here ever shot a blue whale with a slug?
     
  11. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I have. One shot, one kill. Blue whales aren't sh!t against my Winchester 1300 and a rifled choke!
     
  12. ScottG

    ScottG New Member

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    Nope, Michael Moore still lives....
     
  13. FCross7

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    Maybe I've just lived a really sheltered life, but I've never found myself in a situation where I thought there was even a minuscule chance that I would need to shoot an elephant.

    -Fred
     
  14. 30-30remchester

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    I have to strongly disagree with most in here. First off I have shot exactly one animal with buckshot and that was a coyote, and one small deer with a slug, so my experence is limited. However I have been a student of terminal ballistics for 5 decades. I studied the arms and ammo of proffessional hunters and outdoorsmen. Seldom do I put much creedence in us weekenders not because we are skilled but most arent good observers. I especially study African guns. I have never heard of an African profesional hunter ever using a shotgun with 00 buck against wounded lions ( not saying that a few might have, I have never heard of one and I have been reading African hunting stories for 45 years). There are a few that have tried 00 buck on wounded leapord, many have nearly gotten mauled or have got mauled when 00 buck failed to stop an attack by an already wounded and weak 150# leopard. Craig Bottington just wrote an article for a hunting magazine about buckshot. He once shot a leopard twice in the head with a 12 guage using 00 buck and literally watched both loads bounce off its skull. Not my idea of stopping power. However he had some good luck at close range lung shots on animals. Since the original post did not ask about slugs I wont comment. I have studied this subject as well over the years, and I have serious doubts about slugs on elephants. Again I would like to make it clear I dont have any experence with shotguns against game though I have ALOT of experence on big game.
     
  15. Mark F

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    I shoot a killer Bull Frogs with my 12GA.
     
  16. RMc

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    Buckshot is no longer limited to Little Pellet 00B or 000B

    Tight patterning buckshot loads are available with .60 caliber 3/4th ounce pellets. 00B is just .33 caliber and 54 grain pellets.

    There is no comparison.
     
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  17. TxG

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    Your question is too general...there are just too variables to consider: distance, shot placement, type of animal, disposition of animal...example: a Cape Buffalo is a whole lot different than a domestic bull in terms of aggression and will-to-live, though their sizes can be approx. the same. While I might consider walking out in a pasture and killing a bull with a 12 gauge slug, I damn sure wouldn't want to try a Cape Buffalo armed with the same.

    You could take down almost any animal at contact range with a 12 gauge carrying 000 or 00 buck or a slug.

    In a hunting situation, you generally want to stay in the deer, black bear, wild hog, or drug-enraged 300 lb biker, at the high end. More than that, a rifle in the appropriate caliber is better.
     
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  18. suprdave

    suprdave New Member

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    Same here...I was holding a beer, too!
     
  19. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    I had a buddy holding mine...was afraid the recoil might make me spill some.
     
  20. suprdave

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    Good job. Spilling beer is a sin. We can't have that!