What is long range?

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by Vallejo, Feb 13, 2014.

  1. Vallejo

    Vallejo New Member

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    The title gives it away. I apologize if this has already been asked but I couldn't find it. I hear some people say that 500 yards is not long range and while others say 300 yards is plenty. It's not for a rifle or anything, but it's just something that has always floated in my head.
     
  2. texaswoodworker

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    I don't recall there ever being a set rule on what is and isn't long range, so it's pretty subjective.

    Long range for a shotgun, handgun, and long gun are all different. With a handgun, one might consider anything past 25-50 yards to be long range. For a rifle, this is close range. 100-300 yards seems to be the average range people shoot at (depending on the type of rifle, and it's caliber), So I'd personally consider anything past 300-400 yards to be getting into the longer ranges. Once you past 500 yards, your really getting out there.
     
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  3. jpattersonnh

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    As Tex said, it is subjective. Long range and effective range are or can be very different depending on caliber. In .44-40, which is an old black powder rifle round has an effective range on whitetail of about 80 yards, but it is accurate to 150 yards or so. Effective range changes when you talk about different game. I shoot 6.5x55 quite a bit. It is easily a 500 yard coyote gun w/ 129gr bullets, but make it a man sized target and that goes out to 800 yards. On game like elk, 300 yards is max for a 140gr in 6.5, it sheds to much energy after that. Now, all this is hypothetical if you can't hit the vitals. The best shooters I have seen are p-dog or woodchuck hunters. I forgot Squirrels, tree variety. Shooting a tree rat at 35 yards with a .22lr is not so easy. Woodchucks w/ a .22lr at 75yards is pretty good, a woodchuck at 300 yards with a .223 is VG, a p-dog at 300 yards w/ a .223 is about perfect. I like shooting reactive targets at distance.
     
  4. therewolf

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    JMHO, it depends what you shoot, and where.

    For the average person who doesn't have access to

    private property, and must use the average public

    range, 200 yards is "long range".

    50 yards is "long range" for a pistol, generally,

    unless you get a good scoped one. Then 75 yards

    is plinking distance.

    Personally, I consider accuracy at 200 yards mighty

    fine shooting, but I'm blind in one eye, and can't see out

    of the other...
     
  5. JonM

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    for the nypd its about 6 inches...
     
  6. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    a lot depends on the gun being used and the person doing the shooting. depends on whether we are discussing target shooting or hunting.

    as said, i think it is subjective and everyone might have a different opinion on what they consider long range shooting their prefered choice of firearms.
     
  7. jpattersonnh

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    Jon, I had and 2 uncles and brothers father in law that were NYPD. They had to qualify once a year at 7 yards. Clean the revolver and put it in the holster till next year. My Uncle Bill on my moms side was not a guy you would want to mess with. 6'5" 270lb, an ex frogman from WWII. My uncle Bill on my Dads side was also a big guy, but worked at 1 Police Plaza for 20 years. They notified him he would have to go back to a precinct and do a beat again, he retired at 57, also a WWII vet. He was on a crash boat in the north sea and the channel.
     
  8. The gun club I belong to has a steel target range with targets at 200, 400, 600, 800, and 818 meters. The 200 through 600 are relatively easy with a precision rifle. The 800 & 818 meter targets are 18-inch torsos and wind drift is the problem as it can change over the entire distance shot-to-shot.

    I use a .308 and the 818 meter target is a reach for that round. At some point, you're distance limited by the performance of the round no matter how accurate the rifle.
     
  9. 762

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    400 yards and up for a rifle is long range to me
     
  10. JonM

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    When you gotta explain the joke it loses a lot... :(

    I was referring to the recent incidents of the nypd firing dozens and dozens of shots in several incidents never hitting the goblin...
     
  11. jpattersonnh

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    These guys never pulled their revolvers. None except one uncle was a good shot. In most cases the NYPD lets bad guys run away and call in major assets to get them after the fact. It has been this way since the 1960's.
     
  12. Vincine

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    One of my clients was on the Internal Affairs 'Squad', that watched the Internal Affairs Division to make sure they were straight. He was also a top shot, pistol, rifle, sling shot, whatever. Won NYPD awards and stuff. Every year he was posted on the roof tops for one or the other of the holiday events; Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, Times Square New Years, 4th of July Fireworks, etc. Talk about high angle! The snipers were rotated so they got to spend some of the holidays with their families.
     
  13. WebleyFosbery38

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    What is long range? Boy aint that the question of the day! We havent really had a major improvement in Firearm Technology since the invent of the AR or AK. Not to say they havent been improved, they have, better, lighter, more accurate and practical but still the same basic gun. Even bullets and casings have been highly optimized to the point that if they were any better, they would just be banned. The next revolution is under way, Electronics and Sensors, weve had threads on some first generation stuff but with processing power doubling, size shrinking with power requirements dropping as well, were on the verge of some real reach out and touch someone technology hitting the markets.

    I dont know how the government is going to react to this cause thats one of the big fears, looooong distance accuracy and the single shooter. Thats the hardest scenario to predict and with the right toys, a 50 cal can fly further than any circle of protection can provide. The day of the POTUS in a bubble has arrived.

    Its exciting to be alive to see these things happen even if i still love my old firesticks to death!
     
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  14. therewolf

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    YEP. THAT's what a "title" is supposed to do...
     
  15. chloeshooter

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    I'd define long range as farther than I can shoot with iron sights....

    .......a number that seems to get smaller every year :(
     
  16. Sniper03

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    Vallejo,

    I agree with Woodworker, JonM and especially what Webley stated. Long distance means a lot of different things to different people and also regarding specific weapons.
    If you are speaking about high power rifles in general, for the high power shooter it usually applies to targets in excess of 500 yards or more and as stated depending on the caliber also. 500 yards for a 50 BMG, Barrett 416, or 338 Lapua for example is like shooting a 22 at 25 yards. While if using a 7.62X51, 308cal. 500 could be considered as the beginning long range. With 1000 yards being about the ultimate consistency for the 7.62X51 / 308cal. round. But 1000 yards for the 50 BMG and similar calibers is long range but not a great feat! For example in the sniper schools we have fired the 50 BMG fired on E-Silhouette targets consistently and successfully at 2200 meters. 1 Meter = 1.09 Yards. 2200 Meters = 2398 Yards. That is truly considered long range even for the 50 BMG and similar rounds. So to the point 200-300 yards could be considered long range for the average varmint hunter shooting a 17 Remington or 204 for instance. As stated by all the above friends here on the FTF. Long range is an open topic and very subjective. But what ever one enjoys, long range is rewarding to your skill and personal accomplishment and understanding. Elevation, Temperature, Light and certainly Wind Reading skill developlment. Word to the wise! If you do not want to get "Bit by the Bug and Hooked! DO NOT DO IT! :D The main issue is finding a place to do it!

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  17. SGTRud

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    I shot a lot of firearms at what some would call long range. Personally, my idea of long range isnt what the firearm or bullet is doing, its the push beyond a shooters personal limits.

    When I shoot my .338 Lapua, 900-1000 yards isn't long range to me as I do it enough that I can slap it up squeeze the trigger and the bullet lands where I want it to without needing much effort. To some its long range, to me its a Wednesday. But pushing it further out to 1400+ yards is more than a Wednesday for me, I need a little more effort into it.

    I think it is also going to depend on your equipment. If you running a BORS system on a sweet nightforce optic for a 416 Barrett, well then you've taken the skill out of it, your not shooting long range any longer, your pulling the trigger after pushing a button.

    Though I do think the thought of long range does have to do with the firearm, the ammunition, and some other factors, but I think the biggest impact as to what long range is depends on the shooters ability. If you can re-build a 308 Mauser and zip it into a 9 inch dinner plate at 900 yards using a scope purchased at Wal-mart and no other equipment, then you've broken into the realm of personal capability.
     
  18. Vincine

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    How often, can most, is it really possible, (etc.) for a l o n g range shooter to hit a 9 inch target with the very first shot? That is, without seeing what their correction(s) should be?
     
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  19. therewolf

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    Long range is fine, if there is a use for it, to the average shooter.

    Generally speaking, I have no use for a shot past 300 yards, in my

    hunting situations. So I concentrate on improving my accuracy at

    100,200, and 300 yards, and making the "ethical shot" which is going

    to take prey down quickly and humanely. IMHO, MOA within my usage

    range is more worthy of my reloading time and effort.
     
  20. 303tom

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    For me it is any thing over 200 yards !...............