What Have I Got?

Discussion in 'Revolver Handguns' started by dontknownothin, Apr 17, 2011.

  1. dontknownothin

    dontknownothin New Member

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    I just purchased a revolver from someone at a yard sale and have no idea what it is. The barrel is stamped with 38 LONG CTG with what looks like 2 short triangles and a long sideways triangle coming together at the apex on both sides of the stamp. The frame has 2 large screws and 1 small screw with 2 press fit pins. The grips are the cheapy plastic type that are the cream colored bakelite with brown in the grooves. The serial number 274 is stamped on the frame inside the grips, the cylinder, the trigger, and under the barrel. The curved and bent piece of metal inside the hand frame that acts like a spring for the trigger is broken and I need to find a replacement, but I don't have any idea who manufactured the piece. Anyone have any clues?
     

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  2. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    Welcome to the forum!
    Please stop by the Introductions section when you get the chance.
    It's hard to tell from that pic, could you post a pic that shows the whole gun?
     

  3. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    Also, a firearm has two sides.
    Open the cylinder and see if there are any stampings in the crane area.
     
  4. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Maybe this is a 'none of my business' question but I just have to ask. How much do you pay for a gun at yard sale? I didn't even know you could sell a gun at a yard sale. Nice find!!
     
  5. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    WoC, I suspect the reason one does not see too many handguns at yard sales is that there is a good possibility of selling a firearm to someone who can not purchase one legally.
    Should the BATF catch wind of such a sale (to someone unauthorized), I would hate to be the seller.
     
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Welcome to the foums.

    First, in most of the US, it is perfectly legal to sell a gun at a yardsale or flea market. BATF gets involved if you are doing so many as to be "engaging in the business", or if you sell to someone YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN was ineligible to own a gun.

    To the original poster- .38 Long was an older cartridge that precedes the 38 Special. DO NOT ATTEMPT TO SHOOT 38 Specials in your revolver. Likely to result in damage to your revolver, self, innocent bystanders, etc. There was a version made in South America as a .38 Largo that was for BLACK POWDER cartridges only.

    Get us some good pics, ALL OF THE MARKINGS on the gun, will try to help you ID.
     
  7. mesinge2

    mesinge2 New Member

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    Its hard to tell from the image but looking at the tapered barrel, obvious S&W influences, and the caliber; I guess that it is probably an Orbea Hermanos, a spanish copy of 1905 S&W that was made in 38 Long

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  8. dontknownothin

    dontknownothin New Member

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    Here are a couple more pics to help try to identify the revolver. There are no markings in the crane area. I paid $75 for it, believing full well that the gun is probably worthless, but would function more as a decorative wall hanging to somone's camp than an actual firearm (though I would like to have it in working order, at least). The owner uncovered it while removing part of an estate and the transaction I had with him was that I get first refusal on any other guns that he comes across. Apparently the estate was that of a gunsmith hobbiest and the guy said that there are many other guns left in the residence. So it was more of a $75 good will gesture, but hey, tell me the gun is a rare item worth hundreds and I'll be even happier!
     

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  9. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Orbea

    Does the logo look anything like this mark of the Orbea Brothers?
     
  10. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    C3 you never cease to amaze me...you have an encyclopedic knowledge of firearms that seems unstumpable...:D Not to imply that you are a slouch either Mesinge2...;)
     
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  11. mesinge2

    mesinge2 New Member

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    I beat him to it, ;)
     
  12. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    I edited my post before you posted your post...:p
     
  13. mesinge2

    mesinge2 New Member

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    I own two of those Orbea's. One is a rusted POS and I'm afraid to try the other one :D

    The only thing bothering me about the gun is that the screws on the right side of the frame look like they are not in the
    appropriate positions, :confused: see:

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  14. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    Hammer is not the same either...
     
  15. dontknownothin

    dontknownothin New Member

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    Good eye! You're right. The locations of the screws are different and the hammer doesn't have the hump that your Orbea's has.
     
  16. dontknownothin

    dontknownothin New Member

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    No, there is nothing about this handgun that resembles the Orbea's. No markings of any kind besides the little triangles on the barell. I'm beginning to think that this is a glorified cap gun for kids! I swear I had a pair of six-shooters and a holster that looked just like this handgun when I was about 8 years old. Maybe that's why I felt compelled to buy it!
     
  17. mesinge2

    mesinge2 New Member

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    FOUND IT!! Its a Spanish gun alright, just a different company; its a Benito Guisasola Brothers in Eibar, Spain.
    The company went out of businees during the Depression of the 1930s.
    Here is is next to a Smith, look at the screw positions:

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  18. dontknownothin

    dontknownothin New Member

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    You're on to something, though there are still some subtle differences. The Benito's forward screw is directly above the forward trigger guard, whereas my piece has it further forward. I have a small screw directly under the cylinder that is omitted from the Benito, and the Benito has a press fit pin on the aft trigger guard that is omitted from my handgun. However, based on your knowledge and research, I'd say it's a fairly good bet that what I have is a Spanish copy of a S&W.
     
  19. FaTmAn

    FaTmAn New Member

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    You my friend have a gun. I like to state the obvious