what happens after?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by jng2985, Jun 29, 2009.

  1. jng2985

    jng2985 New Member

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    We all know an SHTF scenario will eventually occur, I'm wondering how everyone see's it panning out afterward?

    best case:?
    worst case:?
     
  2. Shotgun Shooter

    Shotgun Shooter New Member

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    It can be anything. I'm just dreding the military/police coming for the weapons.

    S.S.
     

  3. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    Given the fragile nature of our economy and monetary situation, pretty much anything could push us over the edge: natural disaster, terror attack, significant problems in Mexico or other parts of Central America, the Middle East, war between Israel and Iran, North Korea...you name it.

    Inside of three months of an economic collapse, we may have extreme problems. Scarcity of goods, utilities shut off, law enforcement, firefighters and paramedics AWOL (they have families, too!), and a general shutdown of commerce.

    After that, some people will do whatever they feel they must do to survive, including take from others. Other people will be overjoyed at the opportunity to engage in chaotic lawlessness. Those who have food stored, grow food, hunt, have a reliable water supply, and are working within a group to defend what they have will fare better than those who have a penchant for shutting out reality by watching Oprah, The View, American Idol, and any number of other distractions.

    Do I think this will happen? Meh. Not really.

    Do I think it is possible this could happen? Certainly. That's why I prepare for it.

    Do I think I will get really sick soon? No, of course not.

    Do I think it is possible I could get really sick soon? Certainly. That's why I carry health insurance.

    Best case: it's a systemic but not a severe collapse (the rest of the world carries us) and we get back on our feet in a few months.

    Worst case: it's a systemic and severe collapse and the whole world goes down with us so there's no one to turn to for help and it goes on for the better part of a decade.
     
  4. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    All that! And the probability of it actually happening .001684673275 %.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Interesting read- novel called Warday (check used paperback shops or Amazon) story of 2 reporters traveling across what USED to be the US after SHTF. Well written and readable. Bring up a few things I had not considered- like the Canadians. What happens to banking when electronic records go POOF! Multiple weapons (Nuke and Bio)

    Interested me in that someone was giving some thought to how things might be AFTER "the day".
     
  6. jwhirl413

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    just picked up "Warday" and I'm looking forward to the read, found it at the library, thanks for the info, i'll let you know what i think
     
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  7. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    My being prepared for SHTF is more in line with natural disasters such as Tornados or earth quakes. In so doing it is quickly adapted to some other possibilities.

    I have food, water and medicine for 2 weeks, which I cycle so I maintain the freshest stock; I have the means to cook for 2 weeks if we loose electricity. I have adequate warmth if it happens in winter and I can go naked if its summer. I have an adequate amount of weapons and ammo to defend what I have. Outside of that I play it by ear.
     
  8. IGETEVEN

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    LOL.....Ok, I was with ya till ya said you will go naked in the summer. Please stay over there in KY, if SHTF, cause I do not want to see you running around naked here in Oklahoma, sh!t will be bad enough as it is. :eek:
     
  9. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    My bug out location is Oklahoma, this is amazing!!!!!!!
     
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  10. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Holy sh!t, at least wear a loin cloth then, when we meet up. :p
     
  11. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I'll wear a hat
     
  12. Dillinger

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    All of opaww's genorous showing of himself aside... :eek:

    I highly doubt we would see a coutnry wide breakdown ALL at the same time. Can I see it happening in stages? Absolutely.

    However, if you look at the recent events that caused the world to stop spinning:

    The Rodney King Riots
    9/11
    Katrina

    You will see a pattern emerge:

    There are the initial dead that happen at the flash point of the event. Those are the people that are killed immediately in the spark that sets the rest in motion.

    Then a little bit later you will see people begin to die from the wounds they incurred during that time. These are the people that got hit by falling debris, got initially hurt as the mob rule took over, were hospitalized after sucking in too much of the Mississippi Delta...

    Then you will see a further breakdown of the "social" services and people that were sick, or dying, will pass along with the most recent people who were injured and unable to get proper medical attention not after the initial incident happened, but in the weeks afterward.

    As the situation outside of ( Insert person's name here ) becomes more grim, they become more aggressive, more desperate and more willing to risk what is considered "unruly" to them now to keep their way of life going.

    That may be taking a life, stealing from an elderly, or weak, neighbor, or even abandoning family/friends in the interest of closing ranks and protecting the core.

    The human spirit can be broken VERY easily. That is what concerns me the most. Don't believe me?

    Take a look at any of the plethora of "Reality" TV shows that are on these days. It's not just the weak members that break, that can't go on, that can't cut back their rations, that can't eat "that" - it's people that you wouldn't think twice of questioning their heart based on their life experiences.

    When the line breaks, you don't know who is going to flip out and who is going to hold their mud.

    Now, as to whether I think it will happen, I am with bkt. I don't, but I prepare just in case.

    When I went to the Cayman's, I had a physical the week before I left. I was 100% and good to go. Turns out the unforeseen had other ideas and I needed emergency surgery.

    You just never know - and the worst time to second guess yourself about what you could have done, is AFTER the event that made all the difference...

    JD
     
  13. IGETEVEN

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    LOL.....Well, alright, just make sure if you bring any women folk with ya, that's all they are wearing too. :D
     
  14. CHLChris

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    Gold--no!

    I do know that in this scenario, those people who thought gold in hand was the way to prepare will be very surprised to find out that ammo, clothes, tools, food, water will be the new commodities, not gold. Who needs gold? Useless.

    Not to say that gold (certificates, shares, etc.) is a bad monetary investment. Just to say that possessing gold will do NO good in a SHTF scenario.
     
  15. IGETEVEN

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    No argument there, but you forgot pot, drugs, liquor and fuel. Damn, don't any of you guys remember Mad Max? ;)
     
  16. bkt

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    Part of preparing also means having the ability to grow food -- even more than you need -- fix things, mend clothes, etc. So while the local grocery store might have bare shelves, it doesn't necessarily mean you wouldn't be able to get food. This is where having some form of money with intrinsic value could be helpful.

    You're right that in an absolute complete societal breakdown, precious metals don't count for squat. But I don't see that happening.

    Barter is certainly possible with many things we use daily. But gold and silver used as a medium of exchange makes bartering unnecessary. Along with buying a little gold and a lot of silver, I also have even more ammo, food, water, necessities, and survival supplies.
     
  17. c3shooter

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    Couple of stray thoughts here (thought I would get them out before they die of loneliness)

    Scenario we are all LIKELY to face is natural disaster- Hurricane, ice storm, tornado, fire, mudslide, plague of frogs, plague of locusts, rivers turning to blood, etc. This will be of limited duration, and SOME elements of normal society will remain (you may not have the cop on the corner, but eventually the National Guard shows up, etc) Key things to have on hand in stable storage will include water (can go a lot longer without food than without water) calories, shelter, information (battery powered radio) and defense.

    In the OMG, the SHTF for real- N.Korea hits the US with 3 nukes, and the EMP burns out much of the electronic infrastructure as a f'rinstance- it will be greater both in intensity and duration. In THAT scenario, all of the above- and most importantly- KNOWLEDGE and a PLAN to survive.

    PLAN- mutual aid planning with neighbors and family. Don't care if you are Ahnold- you are not gonna stay awake 24 hrs a day. If you are not already living on defensible terrain (in a major city?) have you got a plan to get the hell out of there?

    Knowledge- the REAL currency. Yeah, I am a country boy- I can (and do) raise food- and preserve it. I can (and do) make wine. I can (but don't- for all the ATF folks lurking in the shadows) make whiskey. I know how to do carpentry with hand tools, cut firewood, fish, hunt, tan a hide, etc. Am also a fair metalworker, mechanic, gunsmith, etc.

    Want to spend a few bucks (not a lot) and have some entertainment? Start building your personal library. Find a used book store, check for USED books at Amazon. The Foxfire series is a good start. Many of Dean Ing's books. Early issues of Mother Earth News. Reader's Digest Back to Basics (if I had only one book, this be it). Caution- this can be addictive, but fairly harmless, not real expensive.

    If the SHTF big time, I plan to be the old man of the hills that EVERYONE wants in their bunker. :p
     
  18. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    "The Foxfire series" I thought I was the only earthling to remember these books and read them. Dang we must be related some how.
     
  19. Water-Man

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    With the results of this last election, as far as I'm concerned the SHTF has already happened.
     
  20. RL357Mag

    RL357Mag New Member

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    yeah, and there's no sign of the blades being cleaned anytime soon...