What grain of 223 should i use for deer in tx

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  1. ANAKINANAYA

    ANAKINANAYA New Member

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    I got a new Remington model 700sps tactical in 223. I have a model 700 in 308 but love to shoot the 223. My question is what grain will be enough to kill a deer at 100-200 yards.
     
  2. Shade

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  3. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Just pick a HP or ballistic tipped bullet that shoots well out of your gun at 200 and go with it , anything from 55-70 gr should work great. Shot placement is always the key
     
  4. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    My opinion 223 is too light for deer but ive seen them drop like rocks from that round. Shot placement is a must.

    I think ballistic tips and hp are to frangible for deer greatly increasing the odds of superficial wounds and lost deer. My recomendation is a heavy 70+ grain softpoint. If your gun can handle 75 or greater and still hold 3 inches at 150yds your good to go.

    Remington likes to use 1:12 twistfor their bolt guns in 223 which is great for varmints it doesnt lend itself well at all to heavier bullets needed for deer. While tumbling on impact or befor it hits is great for warfare its terrible for hunting when you want the bullet to expand in a controlled fashion, not self destruct like wedge antilles' proton torpedo on the outer skin of the death star...
     
  5. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    The SPS tactical is a 1:9 twist , I would personally shoot 62 gr and up skip the 55 gr . its doesnt take much to kill a deer , heart or lungs and they wont go more than 100 yards , and Jon is right a soft point would probably be better suited and have a harder shotwave hit on the larger animal . I see your out in Texas shouldnt be to hard to find a downed deer out there in the desert :D
     
  6. ANAKINANAYA

    ANAKINANAYA New Member

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    thanks for the help one more question should i go for a neck shot or just the heart?
     
  7. lonyaeger

    lonyaeger New Member

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    A 60-grain Nosler Partition might be just the ticket.

    A neck shot will drop 'em like a bag of hammers and some times is a little bit easier of a shot to make, depending on the circumstances and how good of a shot you are.
     
  8. sniper762

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  9. JonM

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    i deer hunt and hog hunt down in the deep south of tejas. i take it youve never been lost in several acres of prickly pear cactus... heh makes the midwest corn maze look like a boyscout picnic heh.

    trust me that whitetail can get in some really small holes through those thickets!! if you manage to avoid the spine not get lost and find your deer you then have to drag it back through the impossible way you came dodging 6 foot rattlers and cactus spines. at the point where the deer/hog finally kicked over he managed to cover every square inch of its hide in cactus spines which go through everything short of plate steel like its not there.

    there is a reason i prefer using 350grn soft points out of my winchester model 70 in 458winmag going 2400fps!! i dont like chasing deer!!

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    plus you got these little land mines scattered at random...

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    then to top it off the trees have thorns :)

    that is why i dont use anything on a deer im not 100% sure it will drop where i shoot it!!
     
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  10. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I grew up out in AZ so I know about them damn ol prickly pear cactus's and rattlers , I HATE SNAKES !!!!!!!. Never been hunting in TX but Im sure its a challenge to . I wanna come out there and shoot some hogs some time . Thats my next big hunt, ,my last one was canada black bear with my bow . Yup that was fun !!!!
     
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  11. Shade

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    I do agree that .224 caliber bullets are on the light side for deer, I shoot
    coyotes with them regularly. I think the farthest I have had either move
    is 20-30 yds from the point they were hit as.

    Shot placement is critical with a light bullet, most of my whitetail hunting is
    done with .284 or .308 Barnes TSX bullets, the farthest they move is 5-10
    yds when they get hit with one of them.

    I was a die hard Nosler Partition hunter until I discovered Barnes TSX bullets.

    I have tried several of the polymer tips, I have never had good success with
    any on the poly tips they never seem to open the entry and exit wounds are
    the same caliber, just never had good expansion. Maybe just my bad luck,
    I know some guys love them.

    Always aim for the vitals, heart and lungs.

    Partitions are very good, TSX are better, you should try them.
     
  12. sniper762

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    most factory loaded 223 is not too LIGHT, but too FAST. (blow up before adequately penetrating)

    reload 62 gr. sierra soft points to 2600fps.

    one shot in the vitals drops em in their tracks out to 300 yards.
     
  13. 00possum

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    Don't let anyone give you any crap. A 222 or a 223 will do great! I dropped multiple deer with a single shot to the shoulder or neck. I used Winchester cxp varmint bullets. They exploded inside the deer and dropped him there. I also served as a bobcat bullet while deer hunting. It's a great caliber overall and don't let anyone convince you otherwise.
     
  14. Dragonheart

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    If you go for a heart shot the deer will be dead, but can run more than a 100 yards. The 22 cal bullet will usually not go all the way through so there will be little or no blood trail. I have taken numerous deer in Texas using a neck shot, aiming for the neck just under the chin. A shot like this breaks the neck and cuts the spinal cord. The deer will drop dead in it's tracks. This is also the most humane shot a hunter can make. Obviously, a well tuned rifle and good marksmanship it the key.
     
  15. Txhillbilly

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    The only two bullets that I will hunt hogs or deer with in .224 caliber are the 65gr Sierra Gameking or the 70gr Nosler Soft Point.
    Under 150 yards,either bullet will drop them in their tracks 9 out of 10 times with no need in tracking them.
     
  16. powg

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    .223

    If I had to use a .223 on deer ....nosler partitions or the new razorbacks
     
  17. cottontop

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    The Speer 70 grain semi spitzer will stabilize in my .225 Winchester custom Ruger #1 varmint rifle, and it has a 1 in 13" twist, and the accuracy is sub MOA. It should stabilize in a 1 in 12 twist. In fact, Speer designed this bullet for deer. I load it w/ H380 at around 3300 fps. It should be a great deer round, but I don't want to lug a heavy varmint rifle in the woods.
    cottontop
     
  18. Argyle_Armoring

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    What twist rate do you have in your rifle? If you have a 1:7 twist I would go with a 75 gr or heavier. If you have a 1:9 twist I would go with a 70 gr or 62 gr.
     
  19. Muliemaster

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    If you have a damn 308 theen why even chance a stupid marginal hit on a deer " big game" with a damn varmit rifle. Sorry but stupid crap like this just gets under my skin, use a caliber designed for big game, you damn well owe it to the game we hunt to make clean kills not bs wounded animals becouse to light of bullets an calibers are used. Im glad New Mexico is smart enough to have min caliber restrictions for big game. People should be thinkin the same
     
  20. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Twist rate is only a part of the equation for stability. Velocity is the other. RPMs give stability. You cannot shoot a 70 gr bullet out of a .223 fast enough to get sufficient stabilization. 63? maybe.