What branch?

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by beastmode986, Feb 12, 2013.

  1. beastmode986

    beastmode986 New Member

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    I know I have posted a similar thread before regarding the military. However, iI have been thinking about it alot lately and I really am not sure what branch I like best. I know certain branches fit certain people better than others so right now here are my thoughts
    airforce- Nope, dont like flying
    Navy- Nope, dont want to spend a long time on a ship. Seems like it would be boring and you wont seem much action.
    Marines- Marines are awesome however its hard to decide if I want to join this or the army but I know for a fact I want to do special forces no matter what and it seems like the army has more options than the marines.
    Army- as I said, the army has more special forces options than the marines. But if I were to not do special forces I would definitely join the marines.


    I read that delta force will accept people from every branch is this true?
    Since the marines are a part of the navy can a marine become a seal?

    What branch do you guys think would fit me best?
    I like hard work and I want to see action and do some fighting. I dont really like flying if its me doing the flying so I dont want to join the airforce. I like swimming and seeing how long I can hold my breath but from some of the training I read about for the seals seems intense!
     
  2. Wiseman3

    Wiseman3 New Member

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    You don't like flying but realize spec ops get everywhere by flying, at least at first. If you like being shot at then don't go navy unless you want SEAL because its the only way in.
     

  3. DFlynt

    DFlynt New Member

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    GO NAVY! and become a member of SWCC.
     
  4. TheDesertFox

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  5. Tackleberry1

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    My service was Army Light Infantry but I respect them all.

    Service is service... to me it does not matter if your wielding a spoon in a mess tent or humping the Pig and AG Gear because your assistant gunner went down with a busted ankle...

    Any Army MOS can volunteer for selection and reclassify into SF if you survive the gut check.

    I believe Marines can also try out for Buds and join the Seals... If I'm wrong some former squid will be along shortly to correct me.

    I do not believe anyone can join SOCOM off the street. None of these guys are interested in training a civilian... You've got to prove youself first.

    My choice of Army Infantry over Marines was simple... I was married and the Army's pay scale was higher.

    Honestly, you'll do more flying as a grunt in either branch that you'd see in 80% of Air Force MOS's so get over it.

    My suggestion, based on my experience would be to enlist Army on an Unassigned Ranger Contract. This should guarantee jump school and RIP "Ranger Indoctrination Program".

    If you can't hang through RIP, I doubt you make it through SF selection.

    Either way, you'll wind ip in either a Ranger Battalion or a Line Infantry Unit once you done at Ft. Benning.

    Either location is where you'll actually learn the skills involved in soldiering. Paying attention and striving to exceed the standard while your here is was separated the "future" SF guys from the short timers.

    Good Luck and God Speed!

    Tack
     
  6. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    my best advice with hindsight being 20 freekin 20 is pick an mos (military occupation specialty) that will translate directly into a high paying civilian job. no one hires ex-delta force (if all you did was play bullet catcher) for much besides greaters at walmart or fryalator jockies. once you got your good mos down you can always try for specialty schools. the key is building a good resume'

    getting shot at isnt fun and i do not recomend it as a career end goal.
     
  7. bobski

    bobski Well-Known Member Sponsor

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    army: rule number one... you dont get the elite right off the bat. you must earn you way into the cool jobs. until then, youre a stinkin rotten leg.
    usmc: same as above but your ego is a little higher as you go screeming into battle...as a stinkin rotten grunt.
    air force: you wear slippers to bed in your air conditioned barrack.
    navy: your barracks move around the world so you wont go stir crazy on one base for 4 years. (btw, 2 thirds of the navy doesnt float)
    coast guard: guys get sea sick and nervous anything beyond 20 miles out to sea and must deal with scraping barnacles off bouys. oh and deal with drug runners at gun point.

    i did 22 years navy. navy has something called collateral duty. i/e: if you go into the air force as a bus driver tech, thats all you do, drive a bus.
    in the navy, you learn your trade AND do other things and get qualified in hoards of things. what takes the air force 5 guys to do, 1 navy guy can do it all. that equates to a better job market when you get out.

    usmc and army...remember this, you are a SOLDIER FIRST, and whatever your mos is is second. that means you must pass basic INFANTRY first, then go on to your school, like say a radio operator. so when you get to the warzone...you report to your MSGT and he looks at you and says....no, youre a grunt and sends you to INFANTRY. you go to school to learn tanks. you get to the warzone and report to the MSGT and he says no youre too stupid, you wash gp medium tents and then you go to INFANTRY.

    are you getting the message?

    i went to school to learn parachutes. i reported to a squadron and packed parachutes. when i was on a ship i learned all about shipboard drills and fire fighting. it was a collateral duty. i got wings for air warfare training. i transfered to SHORE DUTY for 4 years and packed parachutes and learned more cool stuff. i went to college on my off time.
    NO INFANTRY.
    NO CANNON FODDERS.
    NO 11 BANG BANG.

    after i padded my service record, i was sent to SEAL TEAMS as an air operations officer dept. head. not only did i pack chutes but i jumped them. i loaded planes, air dropped cargo, you name it. i shot my butt off. rifles pistols, shotguns all of it. but remember this, I PAID MY DUES FIRST.

    ignore the glamor if you plan on going in. you go thru the mud first and learn to like it, then pray to get a break.

    army - groundpounders
    usmc - grunts with an attitude
    air force - bed wetters
    coast guard - mud ducks
    navy - adventurous drunks who have 3 hots and a cott, and a different woman in every port.(hint..sailors get drunk and chase women because they have time to.)

    good luck.
    go navy.
     
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  8. BillM

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    No kidding. My son is 5 shy of 20 in the Airforce. Tech Sgt. "Power Pro".
    Pretty much translates as commercial electrician with heavy gen-set
    experience. He's already getting feelers from civilian companies wanting
    to hire hime when he retires.
     
  9. trip286

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    Beastie, realistically, your chances at special forces are not that great.

    Here's an approximation of how the process works, and it will vary with each branch. This is very, VERY, condensed and simplified.

    You join. Boot camp. Specialty training. Maybe advanced specialty training if your job calls for it. Oh, I didn't mention, you don't sign up for special forces. Like with any other highly specialized profession, first you learn, then you do your time in the trenches, then you have to apply. You don't go from community college to the operating room.

    Speaking of which, college will help. Yes, the Navy SEALs, green berets, delta... They look at that.

    Be in tip top shape. Anything less than perfect is not good enough. Many times, even perfect isn't good enough.

    Then, tryouts. You'll go through a selection process that can take months. Then, if your selected, you may have to wait for a new training cycle to start.

    In the meantime, you'll be kept busy. Very busy.

    Not many people who try, are ever selected. Not all who are selected even get to start training, depending on circumstances. Very few who start training, finish.

    The funny thing is, especially in the case of SEALs, once you finish training, you get even MORE training before ever gong to the teams.

    For SEALs, start to finish, can sometimes take upwards of four years after selection, until you get to the teams. That's after you usually do at least 8 years, or are in your second four year term, before they'll even consider you.

    You don't even know if you'll even like the military for sure. But, your gonna have a minimum of 4 years to find out.

    I applaud your decision to join. I know your mind is made up in that regard. I did it at 17.

    Best thing to do? Keep on the straight and narrow. Keep your chin up. Never forget your ultimate goal. Constantly work towards that goal. Maybe one day you'll get there.
     
  10. robertb6112

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    Coast guard can join seals. But I'm not sure about marines. I can try to find out. Coast guard is cool people always talk **** but they can do a lot of boarding ships and small boats and usually have good duty stations. You will be surprised how many navy personal see combat.
     
  11. dango

    dango Well-Known Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Coast Guard , Army Reserve, go-active "Green Beret" (Special OPS..!) Eeeck..!
     
  12. beastmode986

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    What is RIP and jump school? Also what is being an unassaigned ranger? I know who the rangers are but don't you have to go to ''ranger school''?

    Im not just the average kid who thinks its a walk in the park. I have done a lot of reading on SF and the training is crazy but I don't want to just be a regular soldier, I really want to do something more.
     
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  13. beastmode986

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    When you join the navy they don't issue you a sidearm or rifle right? I like shooting and want to do some of the shooting. I also heard you shoot a lot of guns in the army or marines but how do you get the other guns and shoot them? I always thought you got your service rifle and that's it.
     
  14. Tackleberry1

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    Jon makes a good point but... There are the college benefits regardless of MOS so I'd say follow your interests.

    If your burning desire is to be "All you Can Be", you will not find satisfaction behind a desk.

    Personally, I parlayed 6 years of Infantry Sevice "and a broken back" into an education and a rewarding a good paying career in commercial construction management.

    While it's true that machine guns and hand grenades do not translate to the civilian market, the true hallmarks learned by warriors are courage, candor, commitment, and competence....

    Beyond the mechanics of the skill set is the larger benefit of knowing exactly what your made of and learning what it takes to lead....

    ...and Leaders can create a demand for themselves in any field. ;)

    Tack
     
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  15. lbwar15

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    #1 Marines deploy with the Navy. Just about every Nave vessel if not all have Marines on bored. So if you are a Marine you will spend time on a ship.

    #2 not all Air Force fly. You could work on the air craft.

    #3 just about everyone flies at some point. Ever see Black hawk Down? That is a true story and those were Army.

    #4 most spec ops tend to jump out of plains a few times in there carrier. So you will fly. They all fly in a chopper.

    #5 all spec ops training in intense. In spec ops you are going to do things that would make most men cry for there momma. How do you overcome the fear you ask. In training. Once you have hit your limit ware you can't go any more you are going to have to keep going.

    There was a show that was on the military channel called making the cut. Just watch a few episodes. You will see what I'm talking about.
     
  16. Wiseman3

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    No your not issued a firearm. You like to shoot buy a gun and go shoot. Service is far more than getting to carry a gun and shoot. It's a life of honor and sacrifice. Voluntarily giving up many of your rights to defend the rights of those who won't fight for them yourselves. In the navy you'll shoot and qualify 2 times a year on what ever weapons you qualify to carry on watches. Depending on duty station and number of duty sections, you'll put a sidearm and grab a rifle or shotgun and go stand a post unless you go fireman or airman.
     
  17. nitestalker

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    A Rifleman first USMC.:cool:
     
  18. robertb6112

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    I would join marines if you want to be infantry. Or be a navy corpsman and go FMF. Navy only shoots a M9 at boot camp. But if you get the right rate you could shoot the big guns on the ships. And they will most likely give you rifle training after a-school when you get to your ship if you have a top side rate.
     
  19. Tackleberry1

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    Learning how to "soldier" requires being a "soldier" for awhile. You do not get to enlist SF or Seal.

    You get to bust your azz for several years PROOVING your not wasting a training slot before you even get close to either of these groups.

    It may have changed in the last 15 years but when I was active... You did not even get invited to SF Selection Recruitement briefings unless your were in a combat arms MOS and had already achieved the rank of SGT E5.

    And check your tone... Until you've drained your own blisters and rung the blood out of you socks halfway throughout a 25 mile road march under a combat load YOU do not get to use terms like "Regular Soldier".

    Any one of the your grunts you've seen in Iraq or Afghanistan is already 100 times the man you could hope to become.

    So if your serious... And not just enthralled with HALO... Then enlist as suggested and go find out. ;)

    Tack
     
  20. Tackleberry1

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    Unasigned Ranger Contracts are for those who wish to be a Ranger. You'd goto Infantry Boot, Jump School "Airborne", and RIP at Ft. Benning GA. Make it through RIP and you get assigned to 1 of the 3 Ranger Battalions where they begging training you to survive and pass Ranger School. When they think your ready, they'll send you to school where you will either earn your Ranger Tab or not. If not, you'll most likely be released to a line Infantry unit... Depending on the needs of the Army.

    Understand that you'll not be "special" anything if your not willing to jump out of a perfectly good airplane.

    ...and even if you do have what it takes, it may still take you several attempts to pass SF Selection. Even the best of the best usually take more than 1 attempt to advance.

    Tack