what are the best Russian handguns?

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by 5fhh3r, Feb 19, 2014.

  1. 5fhh3r

    5fhh3r New Member

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    I am curious as to what people consider the best Russian handguns, or at least usable ones?

    How would they be rated as to reliability?

    What are the main problems with models -- jamming, overheating?

    How do prices compare to those of other countries?

    Are there good ones from the Soviet era?

    What is the market like?
     
  2. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

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    You will hear praises for the Makarov and the TT, maybe even for the Krinkof which is not exactly a Russian handgun. The whole category is too diverse to generalize, unless you're doing a school paper. There are Olympic style target pistols, and also the latest striker fired semiauto named AFAIR "Gratch" which is not imported. There is the Nagant revolver. Care to tell what exactly you're interested in?
     

  3. chloeshooter

    chloeshooter New Member

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    well if you broaden the question to include 'former Iron Curtain' the answer is as EZ as CZ
     
  4. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    Welcome to the forum. If you plan on sticking around please head over to the Introduction area and tell us about yourself.

    I've never fired any Russian handguns, but I'm a revolver guy so naturally I'm drawn to the Nagant Revolver.

    Also, because of its unusual feeding design (cylinder actually moves forward, creating a seal with the forcing cone), it is the only revolver designed that you COULD put a silencer on and have it work effectively. I think that's pretty neat.

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  5. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    The nagant revolver is probably one of the worst designed revolvers I've ever seen. The trigger pull is north of 20 pounds and not much better in single action.

    Makarov are ok.design

    Tokarev are ok designs

    None of the russian pistols are meant to be carried with a round in the chamber. In the combloc pistols are disciplinary tools not defensive weapons. They are to be used for executions. They don't need good triggers or other carry features
     
  6. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    JonM touches on a good point. Russian war doctrine was very different from Western war doctrine when it comes to small arms design, use and issue. Handguns were a very small part if it at all. NCOs and Officers were generally the people to employ handguns. Of the Cold War era pistols the Makarov is probably the more reliable design, with fewer moving parts, a blowback operating system, an actual manual safety, but a cartridge that was pretty weak by most handgun standards. The 9x18 falls in between the power of a .380 and a 9x19mm NATO round.

    The TT33 Tokarev used an odd bottle necked round that was fast, and penetrated very well but was a very small diameter, and light in weight. The pistol, as issued borrowed several design elements from the 1911, but featured no manual safety or grip safety.

    The newer service pistols aren't available in the US.

    Of iron curtain guns, the CZ 75 is probably one of the most practical, with some of the best quality control from the era. There were also good Hungarian guns that were basically copies of Walther and Browning handguns.

    But really the Russians just didn't put that much emphasis on handguns.
     
  7. qwiksdraw

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    I carry a Makarov with a round in the chamber. After decocking the hammer, it is now in double action mode. The trigger pull is as heavy (9-10 lbs) as any semi or revolver with no additional safeties. After the first round is fired, it is in S/A mode and the trigger has smooth pull and crisp break and then goes bang. Every time!

    The free floating firing pin has passed all the drop tests, even in the People's Republik of Kalifornia.

    http://www.makarov.com/makfaq.html

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makarov_pistol

    The Makravov is a very accurate compact sized pistol because of its blowback action and is tough as nails. And it's darn fun to shoot.

    As for the Tokarev, the Russians adapted John Browning's designs from his FN Model 1903 and the M1911 pistols so it can't be all that bad, can it?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TT_pistol
     
  8. seancslaughter

    seancslaughter New Member

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    Easy the stechkin was, but your never gonna find one for sale

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  10. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    im not saying you cant carry one in that manner its just not how the soviet designers and the russian military intended them to be carried
     
  11. nchunt101

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    I like the Tokerev the best but take it for what it is. They are a fun and cheap pistol to take the the range.
     
  12. Mercator

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    Nice jeopardy run. I only noticed later it was someone's maiden post.
     
  13. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Interesting info. 20 pound trigger pull? DAMN!!
     
  14. Airborne1

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    I love my Makarov also, and like quiksdraw I keep one in the chamber with the hammer decocked, but I do not think my trigger pull is as hard as 9 to 10 lbs, but I could be wrong too. I got mine locally but I guess it was imported bt Big Bear Arms in Dallas, Tx. It has that on the slide next to the serial number which seems low to me in the 3500 range. It is a snap to break down and clean also.
     
  15. therewolf

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    I'm not an expert, but I did get to eat

    Nacho Cheese Doritos yesterday, and

    sleep next to the dumpster behind the

    Holiday Inn Luxury Suites Business Express

    Expresso Su La Mer Coffee Shop.

    And I also agree with the others who

    say the best they've seen in Eastern Bloc

    pistols is the CZs.
     
  16. GatorDude

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    Here's a profile I wrote up on the Nagant revolver: Surplus Handgun Profile: the Russian M1895 Nagant Revolver They used to be at gunshows for $99 all the time. If I could find one near that price, I'd go for it. Of course, the 20-pound double action pull and hefty single action pull are a drawback. But, I've been training up with an old Enfield Revolver that has a pretty strong pull, too.

    When I read and drool over the Shotgun News, I'm really drawn towards Eastern Bloc guns like the Tokarev. I've seen a Zastava Tokarev for $259 new in 9mm from J&G. That's pretty affordable even after transfer fees. I figure I'll go for a Nagant or a Tokarev next time I'm in the market.

    Of course, with guns like these, I think of them more as interesting and range-worthy fun. For practical carry, I'd be very careful to get something with a de-cocker or to just plunk down $400 and get the obligatory modern striker-fired pistol.
     
  17. Mercator

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    So. Anyone seen, or got a thank you card from, the original poster?
     
  18. JW357

    JW357 New Member

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    No. But its still an interesting thread.

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  19. qwiksdraw

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  20. 5fhh3r

    5fhh3r New Member

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    Thanks for this truckload of great responses!!!

    Regarding availability, some Russian and Soviet guns may not be available in the US but I think there may be many areas of the world that are awash with surplus and new Russian military equipment including guns.

    Places like the socialist countries in Southeast Asia, maybe Venezuela probably Bolivia, especially now that Obama tried to block their president's plane.

    There may be a flood of stuff now coming out of Burma if they can make a peace deal with the ethnic groups (don't know what condition it would be in). And Pakistan, Lebanon especially near the Bekaa valley, Afghanistan, etc. Syria has been a Russian customer for many years.