What AR to get...windham weaponry or m&p 15?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by I3aI3oon, Jan 22, 2012.

  1. I3aI3oon

    I3aI3oon New Member

    3
    0
    0
    Hey everyone I am thinking about buying my first AR and I'm not sure what I should do. My local gun store tried to sell me an m&p 15 for $800 but that rifle has no dust cover or push action thing on the bolt( sorry don't know all the terminology). I live in NY as well so the barrel looks weird because of the state rules. He also showed me a windham weaponry rifle with the dust cover and everything for $850. What should I do ? Any advice would be great! Thank you.
     
  2. lunarmanathome

    lunarmanathome New Member

    68
    0
    0
    The dust cover is not a necessity for most civilian shooters, but it's weird to not see one on an AR, seems to me something is amiss here. The "push action thing" is called a Forward Assist and is used in the event that the bolt doesn't go home completely.

    I would first - become educated on the rifle, then decide what you want it for before you make an impulse buy. I think I would also avoid your local gun store and look on line and shop for a good deal - provided you determine what you really want, not what someone else will tell you to get.
     

  3. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

    3,935
    2
    38
    That would be the forward assist.

    Not sure on what's legal in NY relative to Sport Utility Rifles, but I would shop around some more. S&W makes a decent AR but $800 seems high, but that just may be the case in NY.

    I have never heard of Windham, does not mean they are bad. Just means new brand to me.
     
  4. Gatoragn

    Gatoragn Active Member

    3,935
    2
    38
    Don't be afraid to shop local, you will need an FFL's service at a minimum to purchase a stripped lower receiver.

    However, check prices on line, then ask the LGS how close they can get. I like buying from locals because they are more willing to help should there be a problem. Also by the time shipping and FFL fees are taken into consideration, the local price may be competitive.

    Equip yourself with knowledge, then buy with confidence.
     
  5. lunarmanathome

    lunarmanathome New Member

    68
    0
    0
    I think I said avoid this store - I would prefer to buy local as well, but what I've found is the mark ups (where I live), without exception, are higher than what I can find on line, even with FFL transfers, shipping costs etc.

    The most important take away is that he gains the knowledge before he buys - eyes wide open. Most importantly, what he wants the rifle for, and know what NY will allow.
     
  6. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

    4,828
    0
    0
    The S&W Military & Police (M&P) is a fine rifle but you pay a premium for the name. Windham is a fairly new company founded by many of the former principals and employees of Bushmaster. Far as I know the jury is still out on their products, time will tell if they are Bushy-lite or another brand.

    Best advice that I can offer to you is to do some research and figure out what you want before you spend your money. ARs are like cars...some people drive BMWs while others are content with a Ford F-150. While both do basically the same thing the decision is based on economics and, more importantly, personal preference.

    Knowing what you want, how you plan to use the gun and what the various add-ons and do-dads are puts you in a better buying position to shop around. There are a lot of good, quality rifles from reputable manufacturers available for your $800, you may also want to consider building your own...at least the lower. Check out the stickies on the forums.
     
  7. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    I'd also avoid that local store, $800 is at least $100 too high for the S&W Sport (unless that's the going price in NY). In most states you can find it for $700 or much less if on sale. $850 for an unknown like the Windham is risky, and the specs I've seen are very average, probably in the Bushmaster/DPMS range. I'd go for a better name and better quality at the $800 price point. Of course if you buy online you'll have to find NY legal ARs. You might check PSA which has great prices and quality, see if they have compliant models.

    The ejection port cover and forward assist aren't necessary but given the choice I'd want them on an $800 rifle, in fact I'd demand them plus pretty darn good quality.
     
  8. Powersportgiant

    Powersportgiant New Member

    347
    0
    0
    $800 for a M&P sport is very high. I paid $750 for my S&W M&P fully decked rifle. Smith makes a great rifle and I have not had any issues. However, if you are willing to spend up to $800-$1000 there are some members on here that can point you out a really nice rifle for that price or help you build one.
     
  9. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

    4,828
    0
    0
    I have contacted them in the past month or so about a NJ post-ban compliant upper, no go. Not sure if and how NY differs evil-gun-feature-wise. Alternative is to buy the upper, not actually a firearm and therefore not technically banned or restricted, and have a gunsmith pin and weld the brake before pinning the upper and lower together. Common practice here in NJ. Off the shelf post-ban guns generally run $75-$100 more than an otherwise identical free state model so I am not surprised to see that with the M&P. A local shop here was selling a Bushy carbine neutered for NJ at a sale price of, hope you are sitting down...$999.99 :eek: Ironically they have recently begun to carry the Windham line, due largely I'm sure to the availability of post-ban models.
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2012
  10. I3aI3oon

    I3aI3oon New Member

    3
    0
    0
    Windham weaponry is like the new bushmaster. I want to buy from my local dealer because I have worked with them before and they have just opened a new store 10 min from my house and I want to support a local business. Do you guys have any suggestions on what type of AR I should get for an $800 to $900 range. I am currently trying to get into law enforcement and would love to practice with what they use and hopefully join SWAT.
     
  11. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    I'd find out what local LE uses in your area (brands and configuration). There's a greater chance they'll be using S&W (not the Sport though) over the new kid Windham.

    Get those specs and check back, we can help explain them if you want.
     
  12. I3aI3oon

    I3aI3oon New Member

    3
    0
    0
    Ok I will look into it. Thank you all for your help
     
  13. Dragonheart

    Dragonheart New Member

    124
    0
    0
    I would suggest looking at military specification made AR's. That way the many after market parts will fit.
     
  14. stoppingpower

    stoppingpower New Member

    379
    0
    0
    Lol bush lite

    Wyoming is what America was
     
  15. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

    2,879
    4
    38
    The M&P15 sport is under 600 dollars localy. I paid 595 for mine. The forward assist can cause more problems for a shooter in the consumer market than not haveing it. If you have a FTF it more than likely is a mag problem and the only way to fix that is to drop and replace the mag and cycle it to get a new round in. The forward assest was mainly used when extremem coniditions with wet muddy areas come in to play. Unlike most all others ar companies S&W makes all there own metal work nad has tighter controls on it. Accuracy from a sport is also better than many other low dollar and many high dollar AR's
    At 800 dollars for 760 dollar retail firearm that dealer is someone to avoid.
     
  16. stoppingpower

    stoppingpower New Member

    379
    0
    0
    +1 he just told you pretty much everytjing you need to know about the sport

    Wyoming is what America was
     
  17. ktmboyz

    ktmboyz New Member

    1,207
    0
    0
    Like stated before Winham is the orig Bushmaster owner and employees. Bushmaster after being sold has gone to **** and I would not take the gift of one. I have handled the new weapons from Windham and they are rock solid as the original BCM was ,I would buy one of those in a heart beat. There has been a lot of buzz around here about them and anticipation of their new products coming out, I live in the next town over from them. The M&P sporter for that price is quite high and for the feel of it I would probably stay away, A true M&P is a solid unit though.
     
  18. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    Surely you didn't mean BCM! You must have meant BM, BCM is in a different league, the big leagues.
     
  19. ktmboyz

    ktmboyz New Member

    1,207
    0
    0
    Yes sorry that was a typo my bad.. I didnt mean to mix them with your beloved Bravo Co