Went to the range today

Discussion in 'Range Report' started by winds-of-change, Oct 28, 2013.

  1. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Here's where I went.

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    I brought my Henry rifle, my Mark II and my Sig P238.

    Here's the first target. About 150 rounds out of my Mark II.

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    The strays were from me putting the target as far out as possible and using the scope. I didn't do so well.

    Here's the Mark II.

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    I am ashamed of my second target. This was shot with the Sig P23. About 60 rounds. I did so poorly. I am posting this to see if anyone can offer any suggestions as to where I am going wrong. I KNOW it's not the gun.

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    My Sig P238

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    The last target I shot with my Henry lever. About 60 rounds. That is one SWEET rifle. With subsonics in it, it was very quiet. In fact, the first few rounds I thought it wasn't shooting until I saw the holes in the target. I love this rifle. It's awesome. It's a youth model and it fits me very well. I had the most fun shooting the rifle today.

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    My Henry.....

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  2. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    If anyone has any suggestions as to what I am doing wrong with my Sig, please give me some guidance.

    Oh, yeah, I was able to get a bunch of ammo, too. A little something for every caliber I own. .380 auto, .32 auto, .38 special, .357 magnum, .22 bulk and some .22 subsonic. I'm a happy woman today.

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  3. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    what distance are you shooting at with the Sig P238?

    the 380 auto is lower powered round compared to others and is designed for up close and personal. add to that, that most 380 pistols are smaller with a very short sight radius, which makes accurate shooting with them, even difficult for experianced shooters.

    shooting my 380 at about 15 yards, my targets don't look much better than yours!
     
  4. Pasquanel

    Pasquanel Proud to be an American Supporter

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    One of the reasons you're shooting low is anticipating when it going to go off and jerking the trigger at the last moment remember "squeeze" it should surprise you!
    The other reason is you need to focus on the front sight and the rear will take care of its self (with a little practice) honest. ;)
     
  5. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    The target was out about 7 yards. Maybe 8 yards.
     
  6. Balota

    Balota ... but I used to play keyboards.

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    I think Pasquanel is right. Some of your shots are right where they belong. I bet they were your early shots. Once the recoil of that little pistol started hitting you, you started to anticipate. Small pistols are hard to shoot accurately. Axxe also has a good point about the sight radius. I'd say you actually did pretty well.
     
  7. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    All of the rounds that are hitting low are usually from recoil anticipation. You will tighten your grip which will drive the muzzle down a bit or you will actually tense up and try to compensate for the recoil before it happens. Have someone else load your mag and let them slip a dummy round in at random. You'll see what I'm talking about when the gun goes click and you have it nose diving.

    Follow trough is pretty important. You have to let the gun do what it is going to do. The .380 may not seem punishing but it can be a bit snappy in those subcompact pistols.

    The other possibility is the color of the frame is distracting you and taking you off target:D
     
  8. nitestalker

    nitestalker New Member

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    Shooting low is often a result of improper follow through. It is the same with shotgun, rifle or handgun. After the guns fires and the trigger pressure drops you must hold your sights on the target. The trigger break and relax causes the muzzle to tip down. Because most new handguns have "Litigation" triggers they tend to be too heavy. The trigger break drops you shoot low.:(
     
  9. JW357

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    I'm certainly not an expert when it comes to these things, but I agree with everything said.

    Especially the part about the color of your gun being distracting. :p
     
  10. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Well, I think that gun is beautiful. If the bright stainless steel of my revolver, the beautiful pink camo of my rifle and the awesome pink Valquertson grips on my Mark II don't distract me, then I think the rusty red color of this handgun isn't distracting me. Admit it, you all are just jealous. :p

    In all seriousness, I think it's the snap of the pistol and very probably the anticipation that is getting me off target.
     
  11. CrazedJava

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    At 7 yards you would still have one very ventilated attacker based on most of those shots. Low and in the middle is still in the middle.
     
  12. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    Thanks. Makes me feel a little better. :(
     
  13. CrazedJava

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    For what it's worth, I feel your pain. I've never been a great handgunner even though I try hard. I do well above average on open sights with rifles and have made some amazing shots. Give me a scope or almost any kind of handgun and I turn into Barney Fife. I've gotten a lot better with time and it's taken some honest assessment, frustration, practice, and adjustment to get to solidly average. If you're worst shooting is with your little subcompact, well, that's probably about right. I shot pretty good with a S&W Shield, but did much better with a full size handgun.

    All that said, really glad to see someone bother practicing with their carry gun. It drives me nutz when people talk about their range toys but never fire the gun they trust their life with.
     
  14. jeffkaiser1989

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    when i was practicing for my ccw course i had my target at about 21 feet and was trying to get 2 - 3 inch groupings. I can manage that now but its asking alot out of a small gun. stick to 15 ft and closer for the P238. I also saw some very good points on here put your focus on the front sight and the back site will take care of itself. When im shooting i dont even see my back site. here i got a picture from the last time i was shooting keep in mind this was 1 round per second rapid fire at 21 feet.
    with a sig P238. you really have to learn how to just let go and squeese the trigger. As yoda would say "Think not Just do". lol on a side note im a geek....
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