Went to a gun show yesterday...

Discussion in 'Gun Shows' started by rachilders, Jan 7, 2013.

  1. rachilders

    rachilders New Member

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    it was the best of times and the worst of times. Military caliber ammo cost 4 times what it was less than a month ago and most military style rifles were selling for at least twice (AR's $1,800-$2,300, AK's $800-$1,000+) their pre December rates. Hi-cap rifle mags were averaging 2-3 times the pre Newtown prices at $30-$40 for 20 & 30 rounders. OTOH, there was plenty of ammo for sale, no shortage of magazines and there were about as many "black" rifles available as usual. Pistols and pistol mags were in ample supply and there didn't seem to be any appreciable price increases on them since the show held here in November. I have plenty of ammo and enough AR's and AK's in the safe already so I wasn't looking to buy a new rifle. However, I did break down and buy a complete NIB Bushmaster upper with two 26 rd mags in 7.62x39 that will go on one of my M&P-15 rifles. Best of all it was actually $100 LESS than the $800+ MSRP listed at the Bushy website. There were a number of other tables also offering complete uppers, with some 5.56 uppers selling for as little as $500. I guess the panic buying hasn't reached everything yet! :rolleyes:

    Anyway, it was a good day overall unless you were looking to get a good deal on an assault style rifle and/or ammo for it. Supplies of everything were at about the usual levels, the crowds were even bigger than usual and except for the already mentioned items, there were still good deals to be had. The next scheduled show will be in March. I look forward to seeing if the upward trend in prices has continued or will have leveled off. Better yet, maybe prices will have started to crash and all the folks who paid a MAJOR premium during this latest scare will be mumbling in their beer as they see prices drop and supplies return to normal? :eek:

    FYI, this is a picture of the new upper I got from the BM website.
     

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  2. willfully armed

    willfully armed New Member

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    Did you happen to notice any complete 556 BCGs, and price?

    Im having a bear of a time finding one that's not $300+
     

  3. okdonk

    okdonk New Member

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    Have u tried eBay or Gunbroker?
     
  4. rachilders

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    I didn't notice anything, but I really wasn't looking. OTOH, I have seen them offered on a few of the gun sites. Cheaper than Dirt, Spike's Tactical and Daniel Defense come to mind. I know for a fact that Daniel Defense & Spikes had them for well under $300.
     
  5. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    Nice post. The wording & syntax succinctly delivered. Thanks. Price gouging is unconstitutional ;), or so it should be; however, gun shows are nice to go to. I didn't this time as I lacked nothing in the way of ammo or firearms. But a friend of mine went and was shocked to see a vendor seeing a AK 30 rd mag for $50 dollars! Holy Smoke! :eek:
     
  6. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    It's a trickle down effect starting directly with the manufacturers and distributors. If it costs me $900-$1000 to build a rifle that should cost me $600 to build you can bet that will be reflected in the sale price.
     
  7. Kai

    Kai New Member

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    Hysteria and opportunity make for inflation and great profits. It's not illegal and we don't have to buy.
     
  8. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    Patient my people, prices are starting to and will come back down . Maybe not in the next 60 days back to normal but they will . Stripped lowers are finally coming back down what was selling for $400-$450 2 weeks ago , auctions are closing between $300-$350
    BCGs that sold for $400 are now closing around $300 . Its coming back slowly so be patient . I told friends that wanted to spend $2500 for a $800 AR to sit tight and wait it out . I think I told them the right thing so long as the ban doesnt pass . Even if it does I think some people will get scared they will get confiscated and sell off their rifles at a more reasonable price than what they are currently selling at.
     
  9. Stillersfan

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    I’m glad I don’t have to buy anything at the moment. I have (2) AR15's and have 2K rounds for each. I usually stock around 1K per caliber but since I knew that the sizzle was going to hit the fan eventually, I wanted to be ready, so I doubled everything. So, I am pretty stocked for 9MM, 45ACP, 223/556, and762X39. There is too much price gouging out there.
     
  10. rachilders

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    I checked the Bushmaster web site and to my surprise they have 7.62x39 specific magazines available. I ordered two more and they should be here before the end of the week. I guess there must not be a big demand for them (yet) since all 5.56 & .308 Bushy mags were on back order. OTOH the 7.62x39 uppers are also not in stock, so someone is buying them.
     
  11. John_Deer

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    Distributors are watching the news. They know no gun laws are going to hit the floor of congress anytime soon. Biden and his committee are going to make recommendations the media is going to toss them around for a while. Remember the Erskin Bowles committee that made all the recommendations to fix the economy? Has congress taken action on those recommendations? The facts say it's a 3% chance that congress will do anything about gun control. Given the emotion factor I will up that chance to 5%. Everything that has been proposed is to far reaching to get a Democratic majority. Contrary to popular belief their are a lot of Democrats who get an A+ from the NRA.
     
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  12. rachilders

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    I'd double the percentage rates, but a 10% chance still means the odds are 9 out of 10 that something major won't pass. OTOH, what were the odds Obamacare would pass, that it would be upheld by the Supreme Court or after the disaster of the past four years we'd be preparing to "celebrate" 4 more years of the current administration. One never knows...
     
  13. rachilders

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    I decided to go to the local range and try out the new Bushmaster upper. It's been raining here for several days and is scheduled to continue for several more. Because of the weather I limited my shooting to seeing how well the new upper shot, it's reliability and to look for potential problems.

    First, the Bushmaster upper fit on my M&P-15 lower like it was made for it, snug, with no excess play but not so tight that I had to force it into place. I shot various plate size (11") targets at ranges from 50 feet to 50 yards using the two factory supplied 26 rd magazines. I fired a total of 100 rounds using several brands of ammo, mainly Wolf & Tula. Aside from an occasional flyer, all hits were within a 2" diameter circle of the point of aim and there were no feed or ejection problems. I did not fire any long runs since this is a new and untried upper, though I did fire a handful of 2-3 round quick bursts. About half the shots were fired as slow, aimed fire. The remaining shots were either the already mentioned quick bursts or 3-4 round aimed bursts. Recoil was definitely more noticeable than firing a 5.56 and there is also a noticeable difference in noise level.

    This gun was not a tack driver. OTOH, I wasn't going for accuracy today either. Besides, I was using the factory iron sights and $6 a box Russian ammo, not exactly a combo noted for precision shooting. FWIW, in the Bushy upper I am not looking for a gun that shoots sub 1" groups at 500 yards. Instead, what I'm interested in is "combat accuracy". For me that means consistently hitting a fist size target at 100 yds or less. Reliability was excellent, though after only 100 rounds the reliability question is still not fully settled yet. Fit and finish seem excellent. To look at it when it's installed on my M&P lower, you'd think the BM upper was OEM from S&W. As I mentioned earlier, I just ordered two more magazines from the Bushmaster web site (they were actually in stock!) to go with the two I got with the gun.

    Overall impression... I like it. At this point, it looks like this is a keeper. :D