Well Bloomberg?? Got something to say ???... Didn't think so.

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by NC1760, Sep 30, 2013.

  1. NC1760

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  2. orangello

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    A couple of things: 1) If I see a SUV vs. bikes rolling scrap in town, my money would be on the SUV. 2)Were there no police stations or police cars on or near that route?
    Watching the video I saw several opportunities for "brake checks" by the SUV and more opportunities for "abrupt lane changes" resulting in a rapid reduction in the number of upright riders/bikes. If you can't drive defensively, your nanny state has probably also impaired your ability to act in your own defense with other deadly weapons like your 4000 pound rolling block-buster. edit* It looked like after the initial confrontation the SUV driver took no action to preserve his own well-being; he must have been thoroughly nannified by his state.

    from the linked article.
    This part makes about as much sense as the old "beatings will cease when morale improves". The offenders were gone, so the police "profiled" a bunch of random riders for persecution?


    Even without CCW, Mississippi's permit-free car carry for those over 18 would have put a damper on that crap. My usual passenger is my XD45 and a spare mag or my Bersa thunder 9 UCP with a spare mag.
     
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  3. NC1760

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    Exactly !!! This speaks volumes about the mentality of the wolves ...the sheepherders ...and the especially the sheep that have all evolved as a result of the policies adopted by this "utopian mecca" that the officials involved believe should be a model for the rest of us ??!?!?
    Notice you are banned from being a sheepdog in that city!!
    ...although I agree with your other assessment ... I am reminded of poor Reginald Denny during the L.A. riots... "HIT THE $@#!! GAS MAN!!!"
     
  4. orangello

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    I was thinking: "there isn't anything behind your SUV that would stop it, back the F up rabidly (not rapidly)".



    I am having trouble understanding how the trouble really started on the expressway; what happened before the bikers boxed-in the SUV resulting in the SUV driver rolling over that first bike?
     
  5. NC1760

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    According to the article... the SUV clipped a bike that cut in front too close (Gee... the never do that!! :rolleyes:) and that lead to the whole thing... It's why I try and give a 2 wheel as much space as possible regardless of how they are riding especially on multi-lane highways... but sometimes in congested roads... opps!!
     
  6. orangello

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    I wonder, did the SUV driver avoid further contact due to instructions from the 911 operator, or had he ended the 911 call already?
     
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    What bugs me is the guy didnt lock his doors wtf??? i cant see that happening in nc
     
  8. NC1760

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    It's hard to say from the sidelines and in hindsight. People panic when scared and he may have frozen up, gotten tunnel vision, forgot the basics of the vehicle, yadda yadda yadda...
    I agree.. it won't happen here... The traffic is not as bad (most of the time) and residents have very little tolerance for rude behavior like this. There is (however) a motorcycle helmet wearing bandit in Raleigh that may soon learn that we ARE a carry/conceal state... the hard way!!

    IF that were to happen to me I would concentrate on 1) evaluation of the threat 2) keeping my family behind me and/or safe & out of the way 3) what to do to respond to the threat and 4) the tool(s) I will use to neutralize said threat... at least I try and prepare through range time and some urban tactical classes.
     
  9. seancslaughter

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    He stopped going because his tires were slashed by the bikers his doors were locked they smashed out his ds window with a helmet. This guy is a big time director of a company in NYC he has the money and the ability to get a NYC pistol permit and a state permit. More likely he is either a liberal or someone who just didn't care for guns but I betcha this situation changes his mind
     
  10. orangello

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    After watching the video again, I think my planned response to a bunch of pissed off bikers on crotch rockets will be to 1)drive at 10-15 mph (too slow for full stability on many bikes) 2)swerve left to right enough to stop ALL traffic behind me and the group to attract traffic police response & bring traffic pressure from behind bikes 3) random brake checks (darn raccoons) 4) pistol on ready.

    You gotta feel bad for the guy; can you imagine the screaming in his car during that ride, whew!

    If you have more ground clearance than a compact, you can ride on your rims; it just won't be fun.
     
  11. NC1760

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    At 00:28 there is a bike that slows down somewhat abruptly at the left front corner of the SUV. Can't tell quite if he got clipped or not, but the SUV driver could have hit him if he was at all distracted (and he was).

    I am with Gello on this. Drive defensively, keep moving, run the bastards over if the roadblock, swerve back and forth recklessly etc. Not sure about driving slowly as that might allow more of them to get ahead and make a more formidable barrier, depending on my vehicle. But keep moving, and have a destination in mind whether it is a police station, or what have you. Get on 911 and coordinate where you are going and where you might be safe. Any time they get up beside you, punt them off the road (more points when you are on a bridge!).

    I live near a destination roadway for bikers all over the world. I run into situations that could easily turn ugly like this all the freaking time. Fortunately the times I have run into these situations there are only a few of them and so far it has never escalated into a physical confrontation. I dread the day should that ever come.
     
  13. orangello

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    Wonder why the libs don't attack the scissors and knives like they do the guns? By lib logic if one inanimate object is dangerous then certainly the knives and scissors are dangerous too. The libs never blame the knives, clubs, bricks, etc. for crime only the gun. In the original post why weren't the motorcycles blamed for this crime? There is just to much easy access to motorcycles. Maybe a ban on anything over 75 cc's. How about that guy using his helmet as a weapon. Time to ban those damn helmets.
     
  15. MoHawk

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    From experience of similar situations, and knowledge of people that were there.... It breaks down like this:

    A very large number of motorcycles were all on a ride together. Bikers (though illegal to do so) tend to block traffic so the rest of the bikes can switch lanes, make a turn, etc. So the group stays together. The VERY IMPATIENT Range Rover driver was stopped so bikes could change lanes in front of him. He was NEVER in any danger. RRD (Range Rover Driver) started screaming obscenities at the bikers, will his wife and daughter in the car (not as innocent as he seems, huh?). Finally, he lost his cool and rammed the bike that was stopped in front of him. When the rider, who at this point was uninjured, tried to approach RRD, thinking that an accident had occurred, RRD mashed the throttle of his 3 ton SUV and ran over the guy he just hit, as well as 4 others, in a desperate attempt to avoid being held responsible for his actions. While the bikers may have been committing traffic violations, RRD just committed Felony Hit and Run, Fleeing the scene of an accident, assault with a deadly weapon, vehicular manslaughter, etc. He killed one guy and paralyzed another. And then sped off, leaving people dying in the street as a result of his actions. The Bikers gave chase. RRD got caught in traffic and was approached by bikers. Now, he decides yet again, to intentionally run a man over in his 6000 pound SUV. A man that had only the protection of a long-sleeve shirt and a helmet. After he runs this man over, he yet again flees the scene. At this point, it is like a scene from Grand Theft Auto, but very very real. Finally, after bikers give chase again, RRD is caught in traffic. Bikers break his windows and proceed to beat him. Wrong? Yes. Extremely justified? Also, Yes.

    All of this could have been avoided if the extremely impatient RRD had sat in his car, where we wasn't being approached or threatened, and allowed the bikers to go about their business.

    Did the bikers have some fault in this situation? Yes. But a few simple traffic violations do not give anyone the right to take another's life, especially not in this way. MULTIPLE TIMES.

    Yes, the RRD had his family in the car. I get it. However, no one was bothering him, threatening him, approaching him, etc. And the bikers have families too. The dead man was someone's son, brother, husband father. And another man is paralyzed from the waist down. He will NEVER be able to walk his daughter down the aisle, or dance, or partake in his favorite hobby again.
     
  16. kfox75

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    When I was younger, I used to drive limos. Never drove for any political big shots, but i did transport my share of fairly important folks over my 9 years working there. Every driver was flown to a defensive driving school in Nevada once a year. First year was the basic training course for week 1, and the advanced course for week 2. After that, you came back every year for an advanced refresher, and a skills update. Never had to use these skills outside of the training, but I still practice them every time it snows. Combat turns, high speed manuvering, and general controlled uncontrolability can turn almost any car into a weapon. Had it been me in my truck, the 1911 on the seat would have been the least of their worries.

    That being said, I do ride as well, and if one of the folks in my group was hit I would be pizzed. But, if they were doing something stupid themselves, the blame would fall on them, not always on the cager. These azz hats are what gives the rest of us a bad name, and leads to some of the profiling that we deal with. 2 or 3 morons going 100+ in a school zone on their cycles has led to my riding group of 5 to 7 riders getting stopped and harassed more than once. it does not surprise me in the least that the NYPD has detained 15 riders and confiscated 55 bikes as a response to this incident. They specialize in too little, too late.
     
  17. rjd3282

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    Now we gotta ban Range Rovers too.
     
  18. MoHawk

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    Funny. It would actually accomplish something if instead of banning the tools, we banned the idiots that operate them.
     
  19. orangello

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    I think the word "knowledge" in that first line should be "opinions" or "views", since those people who "were there" may have been part of the mob of bikers and may end up being liable for their part of what happened that day.

    The RRD may not have perceived himself as being "completely safe" when being swarmed by motorcycles/riders. It would make me pretty uncomfortable, uncomfortable enough to have moved my pistol into a ready but out-of-sight position. It would be almost impossible for anyone other than the RDD to know if he was "bothered or threatened" by being surrounded by a mob of unfamiliar people doing unfamiliar things on motorcycles that he may have perceived as threatening or aggressive displays. Much like when a bear "bluff charges" hikers; how do the hikers know the bear is "bluffing" unless they happen to be bear specialists?

    The motorcyclists should have considered the risk of injury and risk of loss to their families before they decided to play in an obviously unsafe manner ON A PUBLIC ROAD and IN TRAFFIC. :rolleyes: Seriously, did they take the old joke of "go play in the road" too literally or were they simply too stupid to consider the dangers of their actions to not only themselves but the other users of the roadway? They chose to ride in an unsafe manner and block traffic and possibly intimidate other traffic to make room for their swarming display. They chose to stunt on a street full of traffic. How else do you stop moving traffic than through intimidation; do you hand out "please pause for dumbasses" flyers? The motorcyclists put THEMSELVES and others at risk in that ridiculous display; they should shoulder the responsibility and consequences of THEIR mistakes.

    Every biker riding in that swarm should be required to reapply for a motorcycle license and attend some instruction on anger management or road rage avoidance. The ones who banged on the rover, swerved at the rover, or otherwise "swarmed" the rover should be charged with assault/menacing and with traffic violations and forever stripped of their licenses to drive on public roads. Those who physically assaulted the RRD should spend some time at Riker's Island and face aggravated assault & battery charges.

    They made a mistake, and now SOME of them have paid for it. Hopefully others will learn from their example of what NOT to do.

    If found out I had a friend who was participating in that "swarm", I would kick his butt and cut his chain and his tires.
     
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  20. steadyshot

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    One of the bikers that blocked the SUV in was, Edwin Mieses Jr. He's the one that got run over and suffered broken legs and spine injuries....

    Records show this guy was no Saint. And obviously this wasn't his first time in trouble because of his riding and road antics.

    "Registry records show that Mieses applied for a learner’s permit in 1999 and 2000, but that he never obtained a full license because he failed to pay fines imposed after he was ticketed for speeding in Lawrence in 1999. His last contact with the Registry was in 2001, when he obtained an identification card, registry records show.Since 1999, he has been ticketed by police 16 times, in Lawrence, Methuen, Roxbury, Andover, and New Hampshire, according to registry records.In June, the Registry notified the National Driver Register that Mieses was a habitual traffic offender whose right to drive in Massachusetts was revoked until 2017, records show."