Weed wars

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by MobileMarine, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. MobileMarine

    MobileMarine New Member

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    I saw this show last night for the first time, I think last night was the first run of the season . I was kinda in shock the whole time watching it , I have been kinda on the fence about making it legal .
    Of course I have smoked it in the past but was never a pot head and its been a few years since I have hit it . It makes sense to me , It has to be better and healthier than the pain meds the docs give us . In the end I think the legality of boils down to the big pharmaceutical companies padding the political pockets .

    Another thing that baffled me was the fact it was legal in cali but the feds still ban it , how the hell is that working ? The company last night grossed 21million a year so you know they are being watched but the fact of all of the tax revenue coming in from it kinda makes them turn the other way a bit .

    I know there are legit uses for it but just like all of the other narcotic pain meds that are prescribed half the folks on there last night were using to treat '' I feel bad '' or I had a bad day disease .
    I guess what pisses me off is the fact that these nut jobs think that since they have a bad day that is a legitimate illness or excuse to smoke pot .
    Im just torn on the matter how bout you guys ?
     
  2. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Buckle up for another hippie lettuce thread, this should be good!! :D
     

  3. partdeux

    partdeux Well-Known Member

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    Hippie Lettuce?

    There is way too much money spent on drug enforcement. Follow the money. Always follow the money!
     
  4. fmj

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    The number one abused "type" of drug is now "PRESCRIPTION DRUGS" i.e. Legal stuff!

    Yeah, follow the money. Its all about a war on the American people and control!
     
  5. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    Oxycodone is the biggest problem around here.
    Yep, follow the $$$.
     
  6. Jeepergeo

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    It's not working in the once great State of California.

    Pot Heads Love It - for every legitimate medical marijuana card holder there are probably a hundred pot heads that paid $50 to a dirt bag doctor for a card to help them with "chronic pain".

    Law Enforcement Loves It - Law enforcement have been "fighting" (but no winning) the "war on drugs" for years, and use the "war" to divert huge sums of tax dollars to their cause. They don't want to win because they will have t reduce their ranks.

    Drug Cartels Love It - DNA studies on the pot in stores have linked inventory to pot being smuggled in from various cartels. I hate to say it, but at least the cartels know what they are doing and readily admit that the money and the power drive their operations. The Pot Heads hide behind their "pain" and Law Enforcement hides behind the "war".

    So far, the feds, like local law enforcement and local government, have failed to control this problem. It seems the cartels, unfortunately, are the only once being successful here.
     
  7. fmj

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    The problem being those pesky subjects that seem to think they have the freedom to do what they will with their body!

    You sum it up best by saying "CONTROL". As this is what it is all about.

    Does anyone seem to remember this little thing in American history known as PROHIBITION!?!? Do you remember the results of THAT little fiasco of the Govt trying to CONTROL people??

    Just like homosexuality....just because YOU dont like it/agree with it...does NOT make it wrong!
     
  8. unclebear

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    honestly I don't see how they get away with selling it nationally illegal not by state right? Since when does the state have more power then the national government? I'm actually completely against the use of weed, I don't like stoners, I don't like pill heads, hell I knocked out a few of my cousins teeth just for bringing that st*t into my house.

    As far as I stand with it there are tons of different medications out there on the market and in development that can take the place of weed for medical use, it's illegal right now has been for year as far as I'm concerned everyone that uses it is breaking the law.
     
  9. fmj

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    Again...
    You are all about your freedom to carry a gun/hunt/fish etc. and get damn pissy when folks want to step on your toes and try to take away those things that make you happy.

    And rightfully so!

    But then you jump up with the next breath and impinge on anothers right to "life, liberty and pursuit of happiness".

    There are some people out there that, believe it or not, ENJOY getting stoned and playing video games. That is the entire reason for their existence. Wether or not you understand the mind set or condone such actions, you (or the Govt) have NO right to impinge upon their freedom to choose what makes them happy in their life!

    **donning fire suit**
     
  10. trip286

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    Uncle bear does have the right to what goes on in his home.

    But, uncle bear, there are some instances where scrips are not nearly as effective as weed, glaucoma for example. Yeah there are scrips that help, and surgeries that can help, but weed is best for it.

    I've heard it's also the best thing for migraines, but haven't found any lit on that one.

    I don't like stoners either really. Something about people that have a desire to be impaired all the time. Still, I've used it in the past too, but nowadays about the only thing I do is smoke, and not weed either.
     
  11. FightinTexasAggie

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    There are obviously some major benefits for the chronically ill by using marijuana. Just like on the tv show last night, the child suffering from severe epileptic seizures, no prescription medications helped him without having severe side effects. Liquid form of cannabis actually helped him, and he even began making some sounds after using it. Plus none of the side effects of prescription drugs. The issue of crooked doctors is a completely different problem, we have them here in Texas too. I know of a doctor popular with students that will pretty much just hand out Adderral (amphetamine) to anyone who asks. I see handing out a highly addictive narcotic worse than a natural plant, not that Im condoning either.

    Aside from that, think about all of the crime that we face ONLY because it is illegal. The violence from drug deals gone bad, theft, murder, assault, the list goes on. Crimes that would not happen if legalization occurred.
     
  12. orangello

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    As i have stated in the many previous pot threads, i support federal descheduling/legalization. I think the states should make their own decisions about legalization, allowing people who really feel strongly about it to relocate to a more or less pot-friendly area.

    Personally, i have never seen a constitutional basis for the government regulating what i can eat, drink, or smoke. There is a decent amount of support for the idea that big money papermills & newspaper owners pushed to illegalize pot to protect their paper & pulp interests (Hearst) by sensationalizing the effects and linking them to some problems amongst some minority (mostly Mexican) populations.

    The worst harm i've ever seen pot do to a pothead is a buddy in college who was weak in math and made weaker/less motivated in math; he took college algebra about six times and finally passed while taking a break from the pot. I do think it has some beneficial effects for some conditions, and i think we would know more about those if it could be further studied, but that can't really happen on a wide scale until it is descheduled at the federal level.

    I also think law enforcement has bigger problems to address than pot.
     
  13. unclebear

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    I have rules in my house, ya people can come over and drink but I will not allow any one stoned or carrying illegal substances into my home. I don't like to be around people that are high never have, I can deal with certain drunk people (on a rare basis) but I don't tolerate stoners.

    Most of the people that I know and knew that are stoners are sad little people that wallow in self pity.

    I believe every person should have rules that they live by I'm not perfect but I take care of what I have to and I don't get in trouble, if people want to smoke it I don't care but it is illegal and people do get in trouble for it and I won't be involved with it, I don't agree with it never have never will.

    US government be damned, if I had it my way a lot of pills on the market would be illegal, if someone little stonner wants to light up and play videos games let him but if he does it around me or in my house I'll put my foot in his a*s.
     
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  14. mjkeat

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    I have mixed feelings about legalizing "weed". I watch this show and have for a while now.

    My thing is the MAJORITY of these people do not have a serious illness and like mentioned before are the "I had a bad day" users. Now that I strongly disagree w/. These people are abusing the system. There needs to tighter restrictions on who gets a card and who doesn't. If the patient is suffering from a serious illness and getting high is the best solution as determined by a medical professional then by all means.

    You will never be able to keep the Cartels out of it when push comes to shove. The argument of legalizing it in order to do away w/ the criminal aspect is ridiculous.

    You also need to think about cost of living. Insurance, both health and vehicle, rates will go up. Either out of necessity or if just using the legalization as an excuse.

    It's not simply an issue of individual rights when others will be effected.
     
  15. orangello

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    You don't think that competition from U.S. growers with better product and less transportation costs would hurt cartel profits? I do; the cartels have to get most of their weed across the border illegally and at some cost. Border Patrol wouldn't be making the trip across town harder/more expensive for legal U.S. growers.

    The true answer to the cartels is a border lockdown and complete control of what crosses, as well as targeting their stateside growing activities in the national forests. If U.S. weed was legalized, the feds (and states) could help fund these efforts by selling the confiscated cartel weed at a discount to U.S. shops.
     
  16. JTJ

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    Pro: All the booze sold has a federal tax stamp. Do the same with pot and they would make lots of money. The cost of the war on weed is staggering. From a fiscal point of view it would be better to legalize it. The stupidity of prohibition proves this premise.
    Con: Do we need another intoxicating product on the market. DUI is a major problem with alcohol.

    I once drove behind 2 guys that were stoned. You could smell the smoke coming from their car. I have never been caught behind someone driving that slow before or since. Every move was exaggerated. We finally pulled into the parking lot of the store we were headed for. They stopped to read the sales ads. We went in and did our shopping and came out. They were still standing in front of the ads. They were living in slow motion.
     
  17. fmj

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    Yes you DO have the right to having rules in your own home. I agree with this, my friend. But if you can deal with drunk asses and not a stoner tells me you have little experience around stoners, drunks or both. OR the drunks you can deal with YOU are as drunk as they.

    Read again my post, THINK and open your mind to more than your little world. Just because YOU like something, or not, does NOT give you, me or the Govt the right to tell anyone what they may or may not ingest.
     
  18. mjkeat

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    The Cartels know this and will use any means necessary (as they have already proven they are more than willing to do) to not only keep their profits from shrinking but increase their profits, Federal and State law enforcement be damned. They will strong arm these small shops into giving them a cut thus increasing the violence.

    The Cartel is similar to the Honey Badger, they just don't give a sh*t.
     
  19. fmj

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    Whens is the last time you saw or read of the Miller man having a shoot out with the Budweiser man!?!?

    Whens the last time you saw or read of the camel man beheading the marlboro man.

    Think about with an open mind for more than 30 seconds and you will see that the argument i pose is NOT "ridiculous".

    The second point fails on the face of it. De-criminalizing a substance will have 0 effect on cost of living. Printing MONEY drives up inflation. Ins. companies are going to drive up costs no matter what......its what they do!

    Third point...you really need to stop drinking the Govts koolaide
     
  20. mjkeat

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    Not true, It does effect everyone. It's like theft, if there wasn't theft prices would be lower. Same thing goes w/ health and vehicle insurance. More people driving under the influence the more risk for the insurance companies which means higher cost for us. You know they won't eat the higher operating costs.

    Plus think about all the people that would be eating junk food if weed was legalized :). But seriously I feel it would have an effect on health insurance as well.

    And you have the issue of motivation. How many overachieving pot heads do you know? People are lazy enough as it is.