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1 - repeal the laws that DO NOT reduce gun violence
2 - enforce the laws already on the books
3 - I have no problems with background checks
4 - straw purchasers ... 20yrs in jail
5 - gun thieves ... 20yrs jail
6 - violent crimes committed with guns ... 20yrs in jail
7 - if a gun owner willingly/unwillingly does not store their weapons in a safe manner ... removal of firearms
8 - disarm beat cops ... if they are under no obligation to put themselves in harms way than they can make a call and wait for armed backup


that should be an infinitely better start than what Biden's group came up with :cool:
 

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Don't forget murderers. I think anyone that takes someone else's life, no matter what the weapon, should never see the light of day again. Either execute them, or lock them up and throw away the key.
you mean like the guy in Brewster NY who killed his grandmother with hammer :mad: ..... funny, I don't recall a hysterical outcry to ban hammers :rolleyes:
 

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Hi!

I agree with 7/8ths of your points.

Number 7, however, causes me some concern. Don't get me wrong - having three young children in my home, I am all about safe storage. It is a must and in my mind there's no question about it.

However, how would this legislation be enforced? Should we gunowners allow random inspections of our homes?

If we throw out the 4th Amendment, why not the 2nd? (And yes, I know the 4th Amendment has been gutted, but I hope you get the gist of my point).

Overall, I say that safe storage is up to us to enforce, and is something we should pass down to our children, right along with our beloved firearms.

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Excellent ... let's debate! :D

No, I am not advocating random inspections or some kind of Gov't oversight ... no, no, no, no, no :eek: But what sickens me is when I hear of a child drowning and the parent wailing "i only turned my back for a second" ... BULL****! :mad: It's called negligence ... and we have punishments for that. So what I am saying is that if it turns out a crime is committed and the firearm owner was negligent in the storage of that firearm ... prosecute! :cool:

How's that sound? :confused:
 

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I think it depends on what happens when you consider "negligence"... If a 2 year old accidentally pulls a trigger on a loaded gun thats laying on the ground, then okay, I see "negligence"...don't leave a loaded gun on the floor if you have kids...
But what if someone breaks onto my home, steals my guns, and uses them to shoot up a place? ... Should I be at fault because i had a gun in a dresser drawer, or my rifle under the bed? I don't think so, and I call BS.
No, someone breaking into your home is committing a crime ... it is not your negligence :)

What about rifle racks in trucks? someone steals one and it's my fault? Don't think so.
Could be ... you want to take your ******* azzed truck down to the Bronx, NY and park it overnight with the gun unlocked in the rack exposed ... that's negligent. As a firearms owner you ought to know better :cool:

Negligence (Lat. negligentia, from neglegere, to neglect, literally "not to pick up something") is a failure to exercise the care that a reasonably prudent person would exercise in like circumstances.[1] The area of tort law known as negligence involves harm caused by carelessness, not intentional harm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negligence
 

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1 - repeal the laws that DO NOT reduce gun violence
2 - enforce the laws already on the books
3 - I have no problems with background checks
4 - straw purchasers ... 20yrs in jail
5 - gun thieves ... 20yrs jail
6 - violent crimes committed with guns ... 20yrs in jail
7 - if a gun owner willingly/unwillingly does not store their weapons in a safe manner ... removal of firearms
8 - disarm beat cops ... if they are under no obligation to put themselves in harms way than they can make a call and wait for armed backup


that should be an infinitely better start than what Biden's group came up with :cool:
to add to the discussion,

9. Repeal the Gun Free School Zone laws
10. Develop a School Safety Shield program as presented by the NRA (I'm still not on board with arming teachers. I would rather returning/retired vets but that is a debate in another thread)
11. Upload information on mentally adjudicated persons the NICS system
12. any Physician who prescribes psychotropic drugs to a patient is required to follow up and closely monitor the patient for evaluation (meaning 1-2x a week, not once a month or two. if Dr's are going to be pushing these medicines on people they need to be responsible for their patient!)
 

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I would like to consolidate our answers and submit them as a suggestion to governmment.
Bump!

I am in touch with 2 of my Senators on this issue. Senator Leahy appears to be walking lock step to Obama's drum beat as well as using his committee to forward the gun control agenda. Senator Sears has responded that he will NOT entertain another Assault Weapons ban and want to address the causes of gun violence, not implement reactions to it.

So what say you FTF'rs ... do we have ideas that do/can/will work? ;)
 

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I'm only worried about the mentally ill issue. Who would set the standards for mental illness? What if after a super stressful week at work my doctor deems me mentally defunct because I answered her subliminal questions in a subliminally violent manner? Then a week later when I decide to buy a shiny new gun and get a denial what do I do? Can I appeal the process for a wrongful condemnation? What if an actual insane person can appear sane long enough for this appeal process? Yes doctors should decide who's insane but we saw how doctors acted in Nazi Germany.....its a slippery slope is all I'm saying.
I don't think it is a slippery slope at all ... we go with the legal definitions of mentally ill. It is only when Politicians or groups with an agenda who get hold of words and pervert their meaning/intent is where problems occur.

One thing we CANNOT do is nothing! :mad: We can't always cry "it's as slippery slope" every time we come across and issue that is hard. So take this opportunity people, list out ideas you feel/think that will work ... that will reduce crime ... that will reduce violence ... that will maintain peoples rights to keep and bear arms. :)
 
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