Was this cop justified?

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  1. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UatHtkJY3kc]YouTube - Seattle Cop Punches Girl in Face - Jaywalking Stop 6-15-10[/ame]

    She put her hands on him, they were resisting, they were fighting the police.

    In the end, they will probably sue and win lots of money. Then they can go on disrespecting anyone in a position of authority and being good upstanding citizens. :rolleyes:
     
  2. dunerunner

    dunerunner New Member

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    NO!! He should have tazed her...she's have stayed down longer!
     

  3. Shihan

    Shihan Active Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Was that Policeman amateur? He should have had her face down on the concrete cuffing her a lot faster than that.


    Let's hear from our LEOs?
     
  4. CHLChris

    CHLChris New Member

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    Being in the NW, we've heard a lot about this event. I don't think a jury would award her money.

    If you come against a cop, grabbing him/her, hitting him/her, attacking in any physical way, you should expect to get hit back, Tased, pepper sprayed. And you better expect it to be at least a little bit imbalanced, right?

    A cop should be able to respond disproportionately, as he did in this case.
     
  5. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    You are permitted to use sufficent force to OVERCOME resistance. Not to equal it, but overcome it. Me- I'da gone for the baton, and relocated a kneecap.
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Man! I was hoping this would slide by and not be an issue here because NO ONE has all the facts in the media. :mad:

    This has been ALL OVER the local news, radio, TV, newspapers for a couple of days now.

    Here are the facts you probably DON'T know:

    The two girls are 17 and 18 respectively.

    They BOTH have prior convictions ( multiple on the case of the first girl including felony theft ) and BOTH of them had sentences that involved putting hands on a police officer DISMISSED by a local magistrate within the last year. Thank you Seattle :mad:

    The school district specifically petitioned the City of Seattle to do "Something" about all the jay-walking students. Traffic accidents have happened, traffic has been snarled and generally the stupid kids just walk right out into traffic without thinking. A student was hit last year and damn near died by, you guess it, JAYWALKING!

    The officer in question was SPECIFICALLY THERE to address jaywalking. He wasn't responding to other calls. He wasn't avoiding running radar, handling domestics or anything of the sort. His duty location was that intersection and his job for the 4 days the WEEK PREVIOUS was to stop people from jaywalking.

    The officer in question attempted to inform the girl she was breaking the law and give her a warning. ( Granted, this is from the Seattle PD ).

    She then became verbally combative. The officer then said he was going to give her a citiation. It's a small fine, I think $45. At this point the "friend" ( girl who got a touch to the grill ) became threatening and verbally combative.

    The officer then called her over and demanded her information. She was not only verbally combative, then she became physically combative and put her hands on the officer. The other girl ( stupid ) was egging her on and threatening the officer.

    The officer then attempted to put her under arrest. Now the "friend" who was previously only a verbal hassle decided it was time to put hands on the office as well.

    Then she got an attitude adjustment.

    According to the local police academy PR person, there are three levels of physical interaction that are taught to police officers here in Washington State.

    1. - Hair Control. Pretty obvious, you grab the person by the hair and jerk them around to comply.
    2. - Air Control. Basically the use of Mace or the Tazer.
    3. - Use of a Punch. This is where he MIGHT be in trouble because they are supposed to punch "soft targets like the chest or stomach FIRST".

    Obviously this officer had to react and when he turned, her hair was nowhere to be had and taking time to draw his Mace/Tazer would have taken longer, and subjected him to additional threat.

    What is DEFINITELY NOT being talked about anywhere is there was a cop a few months ago who responsed to a seemingly "harmless" call. Naked man, in the street, flipping off cars and cursing.

    Same neighborhood area that this instance happened.

    The responding officer ended up in a wrestling match with the naked man who stripped the officer of his weapon, shot and killed the officer, point blank, in the street.

    People ALLEGEDLY were screaming "F*ck the Police" when the fight was happening.

    That's the "area" this "crime" took place in.

    Now we have every "African-American Leader" within 50 miles of the City mouthing off and talking about how they want the officer fired AND brought up on assault charges.

    Currently the officer is on administrative leave, there is NO police presence at the school intersection and the girls are being portrayed as "victims" of an over-zealous, wait for it, WHITE cop.... :mad:
     
  7. KalashnikovJosh

    KalashnikovJosh New Member

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    Watching that didnt make me feel concerned for the person punched,it made me concerned for the cop.That was obviously a hostile crowd,and while he was busy with his suspect,that scene looked like it could have devolved into a handgun retention situation real quick.

    He should have used something more decisive after having to throw the first punch-his non lethals or even his impact weapon.

    He should have had control faster.
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2010
  8. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Geez JD, after reading all of that I feel sorry for cops in Seattle,very sorry,and angry . That puts things into perspective. :mad:
     
  9. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    I would have hit her then create distance then tazed her till she pissed herself.
     
  10. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    Lets take a look at the video tape folks! :rolleyes:

    We have,
    1. Jaywalking in front of a LEO - check
    2. Rude obnoxious behavior - check
    3. Disobeying orders from a LEO - check
    4. Putting hands on an LEO - check
    :cool:

    Now what I can't figure out is why the officer didn't,
    1. Pepper spray the bitches
    2. Crack the 2 of them in the head with his baton
    3. Shoot the 1st bitch, then pistol whip the other. Then shoot her too!
    4. Get in his patrol car and run down every f****r in the intersection!
    :rolleyes:

    Thanks for the background info on this one JD. Unfortunately too many people are not going to put it into context or ignore it out right. Being in and around a major city like NYC I've seen this behavior as typical ... regardless of race or ethnicity.

    Now maybe the cop didn't have all the skills he needed to handle situation, maybe he antagonized it a bit himself. I cannot say that I am the greatest fan of LEO's either, even with family and friends who are. But what is absolutely clear is that these "victims" disobeyed the LEO and then assaulted him. Unfortunately all we will see are the edited video clips from the web and the news, which clearly will not be unbiased reporting.

    Their is no reasonable argument anyone could give me that would convince me to put on a badge and serve the public. I say f**k them, they are on their own! :mad:
     
  11. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    Two full grown women were pushing,shoving,etc... Two that have prior convictions and were completely in the wrong. She was asking for it, and got it.
     
  12. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    You are right, he should have hit her with the radio!! :)
     
  13. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    ROFL ....good 1 Goju! :D
     
  14. Dillinger

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    Seattle cops don't get paid enough. The surrounding locals pay better, but have to deal with MUCH richer people who "know" people.

    Seattle PD has taken a beating lately. They have lost officers and they have had a lot of people CLAIM abuse. Some cases are still ongoing.

    The officer had ALREADY called for backup. Dispatch logged the call for backup at over 6 minutes BEFORE the punch was thrown. This officer can not be held responsible for not having someone there to watch his back, that was an accounting measure.

    Then you are not watching the same video, nor have you put yourself in that situation!

    This officer did not know if the girl was looking for more than just a shoving match. Seattle PD had JUST lost an officer not 3 months ago who had his WEAPON STOLEN AND USED ON HIM.

    Re-watch that video. That unruly bitch weighs just as much as the officer does and she is within 1" of his height. It's not like he was Robocop10mm and the "victim" was Miley Cyrus, Nicole Ritchie or the Olson Twins. :rolleyes:

    She had a PRIOR RECORD for assault on a uniformed officer. So did the "jaywalker"!

    Anyone that thinks this girl is a "victim" needs to come on over to my place. I will GLADLY take you to that part of Seattle late on a Friday night and drop you off for a few hours.

    You won't be able to flag a cab without a flare gun, they stop running late.

    Probably should plan on bringing some hardware the Seattle PD DOESN'T issue, you are going to need it.

    JD
     
  15. mcramer

    mcramer New Member

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    I just love how cops are called first to save a life, but when they preform their other duties people hate them and want to do dumb s**t like fight, yell, cuss, run, and lie to them, thinking that they(the violator) will win. Its just way to funny to me.
    I love watching the tv show cops and laughing my ass off when the subject resists and then screams in pain when the LEO uses force. OHHH its soo great!!!



    It's called LAW ENFORCEMENT for a reason!
     
  16. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    Absolutely. You don't assault a Police Officer and expect anything less then getting your ass handed to you.
     
  17. WDB

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    JD did a fine job of stating the facts, it's hard not to get them as it's all over the news here locally. This is a though part of the city and I think that is somewhat expressed in the vid, lots of people watching taking vids, taunting but no one offering assitance to the LEO. One guy did try and pull the broad away that got punched in the face but it was a weak effort. No respect for law enforcemnet at all. The only issue I had with the officers action is he needed to get more shoulder behind the punch so he could have knocked her out cold. I think he showed restraint in trying to handle the primary suspect. Should have taken a step back and gave her 50,000 volts but he tried to handle her with minimal force.

    IMHO this vid should be used as a training tool for LEO's to show when you should have used more force (pepper spray, stun gun, batton) to end a confrontation more quickly.
     
  18. IGETEVEN

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    Respect and kudos to the officer for his patience and restraint.

    I am embarrassed to say that if it was me in that same situation and I had to deal with that BS, I undoubtedly would be on suspension, be facing some form of civil litigation lawsuits and probably be looking at a very short career in law enforcement.

    Jack
     
  19. dog2000tj

    dog2000tj New Member

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    One of my ex gf's was not out sick for that class. Try as she might, under no circumstances could she get the cuffs on me. ;)

    Can't same the same for her though, I had her cuffed all over the house ;)
     
  20. mcramer

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    Ive been to Seattle a few times on tour, and during the day its wonderful, I love it and always hate leaving. Havent really been out at night though.
    I dont doubt the cops of Seatle are underpaid, overworked, and harassed.
    Sad how some people treat civil servants.
     
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