Was not 20 grs of Bullseye or 2400?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by McX358, Nov 7, 2009.

  1. McX358

    McX358 New Member

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    This sent to me; NICE! Lets see maybe the hammer, triger, grips might still be used again....ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK you POWDER and HOW MUCH YOU USE!
     

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  2. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    NICE!!! Always good to be reminded of what can happen if you don't pay attention. Plus, a little carnage is always fun to look at! Hope the shooter was OK, looks like it just blew the top off, maybe all the parts went the same way.
     

  3. stalkingbear

    stalkingbear Well-Known Member

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    I got the same pic. I wonder if it wasn't done deliberately as accidental overloading (wrong powder) of that magnitude would be very hard to do unless some colossal stupidity was involved. It would be impossible to double load 2400 or H110 so it HAD to be a very fast burning powder like Unique or even Bullseye.
     
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  4. BILLYBOB44

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    Probably wrong powder??

    You're right on Bear. One safety habit that I have is, I NEVER-EVER have more than the one powder that I am loading with on the bench/or area, at one time. Not for just the loads that I am making at the time, but also when powder not used in the measure is returned, it is returned to the CORRECT container. Safety is the first knowledge that must be learned in the handloading process!!:rolleyes::) PS: Looks like a real waste of an otherwise great S&W revolver??
     
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  5. McX358

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    Bulleyse or 2400????

    Oh I agree it had to be Win 231, Bullseye something on that order; 2400, Bluedot or W-296 would have never done that. Interesting point, was it a deliberate act? If so unless a string was tied, who ever had guts. In any case it was a major of DUMASS! I find it strange a customer came in the other day, talking about a 357 revolver; actually he wanted a revolver incase of Black Bear attack; he’s real hung up on the Black bears. But that a different story, I suggested Taurus, as the warrantee is good, haven’t had one come back, and the price is right. He said “Oh no I saw on the Internet where the top was blown off one of those, it’s made of bad steel….” I told him, just about any revolver can had it’s top blown, if it’s a double charge.. Also suggest to start at 41 Magnum and work up from there is wanted a handgun for bear…..”But as usually what the hell do I know; I’m just a old grumpy gunny…!” :mad:
     
  6. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Double charge of a fast burning powder or half charge of W-296. 296 has a weird propensity to spike pressures when loaded to less than 90% capacity.

    Any firearm can go kB on you if the right circumstances are present. Banana peeled barrels from obstructions, cylinders blown open when firing .44 Mags in a .45 Colt, a Colt AR-15 A3 blown up from a warm load and untrimmed brass, Glocks blown open by a stiff breeze (OK, sorry. I had to poke fun at the Glocks).

    Not purchasing gun "A" because one blew up is like not buying a car because one got wrecked (two years ago by a drunk going 95 in a 40 zone and hit a 100 year old oak tree).
     
  7. McX358

    McX358 New Member

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    Your right!

    Forgot about the "BELOW" min. charge on 296 and those types of powder. As far as the customer remarks; I've been dealing with those types for 25 years now...anymore I juts nod my head, and say "wow". :rolleyes: And until they show me the $ I go about me work. :D
     
  8. Viking

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    Bullseye, always double-double check this powder in the cases before seating bullets, it's amazing how much damage just a small amount of extra Bullseye can do even to the strongest of firearms.
     
  9. Glasshartt

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    I'll have to dig out the picures of my S&W mod 67 that looks alot like that one. I made the mistake of buying "practice ammo" (stuff they reloaded and sold) from one of the local gun shops way back when. The next mistake was going out by myself and not telling anyone where I was going. It then went something like this: bang, bang, bang, BOOOOOM. When I next looked at my poor revolver, the top left quarter of the cylinder was gone, the top right quarter was hanging on by less than 1/4" of metal (or vice-versa). The rear sight was gone, the top strap was bowed, and there was a small tear on the side plate. Amazingly I still had all of my fingers and body parts, and there was no red stuff leaking out anywhere. Since this was my only duty weapon at the time, I had to go out and buy something that same day. I know tht it wasn't the revolver's fault, but I didn't want to get another S&W. I went to Wal-Mart and bought a 4" stainless Python. I eventually got a 4" 686 from the shop, but I never bought anything there again.
     
  10. spittinfire

    spittinfire New Member Supporter

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    How long ago was this that you could buy a Python at wal mart?
     
  11. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Ah, the model 67. My first centerfire handgun. Sad to hear of your's untimely demise.
     
  12. cpttango30

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    No I have seen and been on hand for a shot like that. It was a nice smith 7 shot 357 revolver. The man was loading on a dillon 550b and got a double charge in a few cases. Just so happened that he loaded them all in there are one time and they were the three top rounds. SO one blew and caused the other two to blow that much harder. This man was not stupid nor had that ever happened before or after to him. He had been reloading for 50 some years. He had the 550b when it first came out.

    Alls it takes is 1 second of looking away and not knowing what is going on.

    That is why I lock the door to the shed when I am running the dillon. If someone wants me They knock and I finish all the round on the plate and then go and talk.
     
  13. Glasshartt

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    If I remember right, I was probably 1985. Quals were comming up and had had a particulary bad night at work. Needed to go out and shoot at something to de-stress. Don't shoot reloads anymore. It is going to be hard for me when DzScubie starts reloading again. I trust him and all, but it will be there in the back of my mind.
     
  14. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    That is one reason you will NEVER find Bullseye in my shop. IMHO it is one of the most dangerous powders on the market. Double charge - KABOOM! Half charge - KABOOM!
     
  15. tiberius10721

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    may be one of the most dangerous powders on the market but on the otherhand it is a pretty good metering powder especially using the lee disk system.
     
  16. Gearguy10

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    Cripes! Now you guys got me paranoid about Bullseye. I bought a Hornady LNL progressive press at Christmas and have been loading .45 acp and .40 S&W with Clays powder all winter. The other day I figured I'd change things up and picked up a bottle of Bullseye to start loading .38 special and .357 mag. I don't have the .38/.357 die set yet so I figured I'd load some .45 acp with Bullseye to compare it to the Clays.

    Is Bullseye really that volatile? I'd have to check my notes but I'm 99% sure I loaded 6.6 grains of Bullseye behind 185gr Hornady HP-XTP bullets. I'm shooting them out of my Kimber Pro-Elite.
     
  17. Gearguy10

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    Sounds like I'll need to be extra vigilant with this stuff. I loaded 100 rnds of 9mm Luger last night with 4.0 gr Bullseye behind 115 gr fmj round nose bullets. We'll see how they though go through my Beretta 92.
     
  18. TXnorton

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    About a year ago my first choice of powder for 9mm and 45 ACP (Unique) was impossible to find where I usually buy my reloading components. I then picked up a 1 pound container of Bullseye and carefully loaded a bunch of 9mm and .45 with it. I had previously been aware of the problems with over/under loading with Bullseye, so I double checked my work as I went. I have not had any problems with any of these re-loads. Like everything else in re-loading use reliable published data, go slow and check, then double check your own work!
     
  19. Viking

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    Same here. That's why I like to use bulker powders that come up to the base of the bullet or are even compressed. I have used a lot of Unique powder over the years but it's easier to see a double charge, but even then I check a number of times before loading in the bullets. I have the MTM fifty round case trays for reloading, I know progressive presses are real time savers but I like to see that all looks safe first and as well I strive to have powder loads with as little variance as possibly. Load to load accuracy seems to be much better for me.