Was going to buy another Glock until I saw this. Wow.

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by Mr. Wick, Aug 1, 2020.

  1. Richard062

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  2. SRK97

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    Fed honey pot
     
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    Did some research on the Black Ice and compared it to the VP9. I only want to buy guns I can CCW. Black Ice is a big gun.

    VP9 Capacity from 18 to 21 rounds
    Black Ice Capacity 11 rounds

    VP9 weight 20 ounces
    Black Ice 38 ounces

    VP9 Barell length 4.1 inches
    Black Ice 5 inches

    Vp9 Overall length 7.34 inches
    Black Ice 8.7 inches
     
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    It's not even a good site. It's an auction site.
     
  7. Pasquanel

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    Seriously check out a Walther PPQ
     
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    I'll look now. Thanks.
     
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    My daughter briefly had an EAA Witness in 10mm that was a slick little item. Unfortunately the frame cracked after about 20rds.
     
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    did they warranty it out??
     
  11. G66enigma

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    The P30 and VP9 were designed around a 15rd magazine.

    While they're now shipping with 17rd ones, they weren't technically designed for it. Word I've gotten from two different dealers has been: the 15-rounders are flawless in operation, whereas they're often hearing of issues with the 17-rounders. Might well operate, mostly well, with even larger H&K magazines, but frankly if carrying as a life-saving tool I wouldn't want to push my luck. They were designed around 15rd mags; probably best to use them that way. Your life might well depend upon it.

    BTW, the "SK" (subcompact) variants of both the P30 and VP9 series pistols are the smaller cousins. Basically, a shorter slide and a chopped frame (and smaller magazine, of course), but otherwise much the same guns. Either the "SK" variants or the full-sized ones are easily carried. They are somewhat chunky around the grip circumference, particularly when compared to many of the contemporary "plastic fantastic" group of pistols, which can get pretty slim. Still, what you're buying is utter bomb-proof reliability, durability and accuracy, with these H&K pistols.

    Have had a P2000. Have a P30. Exceptional sidearms. I'd stake my life on them.
     
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    Kimber got a bad reputation some years back for producing some guns with tooling marks, and breakage of small parts from poor MIMs production. I don’t know if this is still true today, but;

    Im a big 1911 fan, and have learned a few things over the years that give me a requirement for a 1911, and the first is the lower receiver must be forged from solid barstock steel and not cast as many are today. To my knowledge, the only makers of domestic mass produced guns that are 100% forged are Colt, Springfield, or Dan Wesson. They all use MIMS parts, but only in non critical, low impact areas such as grip safety, thumb safety ect.

    Regardless of looks, this is where I would want my money going for a carry gun for serious use.
     
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    I have carried both double stack plastic and single stack guns like the 1911 for many years, both professionally and on my own time.

    I have found that despite the weight difference, the flatter profile of the 1911 ot other single stack is much easier to conceal. The barrel length is largely irrelevant.
    A proper gun belt and holster completely negates the weight difference. As a matter of fact, I would rate the belt and holster to be just as important as the gun itself.
    Little things like that are realized when you carry 16-20 hours a day for 20+ years:)
     
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    The guy she bought it from have her money back and dealt with the warranty.
     
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    That'd raise concerns for me, as well.

    First thing I do when coming across a new potential vendor/source like that: compare the claimed address and phone with at least a couple other publicly-available records. Failing that, it's hard to know whether a group's legit or not.

    Of course, not all vendors publish their contact info right out there for all to see. Frustrating, when they do that. Dangerous, if it turns out to be an illegitimate vendor.
     
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