WARNING! A False Flag Group Launches Today

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by opaww, Jul 5, 2013.

  1. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Need to keep an eye on this group

    The American Rifle and Pistol Association (ARPA) is a FRAUD!

    Do you remember the phoney "American Hunters and Shooters Association" that pretended to support gun rights ... but actually advocated more gun control and endorsed (surprise, surprise) Barack Obama?

    Well, now with the 2014 elections gearing up, another fake gun group has popped up claiming to support "sane" gun ownership.

    They're called the American Rifle and Pistol Association and they're officially launching today, July 4. But don't be fooled by all the firearm photos on their Facebook page or all the Second Amendment talk on their colorful website.

    Here are direct quotes from their statement of principles:

    R+P exists to promote SANE gun ownership and SANE firearms management. SANE stands for: Safety, Advocacy, Networking, and Education.

    R+P believes that it is each state's right to determine for benefit of its citizens any prerequisites, qualifications, documentation, training, and levels of demonstrated proficiency, if any, deemed necessary for lawful use of differing types of weapon systems. The establishment of any such requirements are not the prerogative of the federal government.

    R+P seeks to work with state and local governments to help establish effective training and licensing programs designed to increase public safety while protecting eligible citizens' rights to keep and bear arms.

    Got that? "Sane" gun ownership. Demonstrated proficiency. Licensing programs. Protecting "eligible" citizens' rights.

    Exactly where in the Second Amendment does it say any of this? Who determines what is or is not sane? Since when do we need to demonstrate anything to exercise a right? Why do we need more licensing? And who exactly are the oh-so-lucky "eligible" citizens among us who will be granted protection from this bogus group of sham artists?

    No, we don't want "insane" people to have guns. And yes, we think training is great. But we don't need more restrictions. We've been fighting for years to remove restrictions that do nothing to improve public safety and are designed merely to infringe on our rights as American citizens.

    Spread the word about the counterfeit American Rifle and Pistol Association. Not only are they frauds, they're purposely insulting all gun owners by launching their pretend group on Independence Day.

    Those of us with Buckeye Firearms Association, and thousands of other good Americans around the country, work countless hours week after week, year after year, volunteering our time to defend and advance our rights.

    We don't hide who we are or what we stand for. What you see it what you get. If you disagree with us, fine. Stand up and be heard. But don't put on a mask and lie about your true intentions. That we cannot tolerate.

    Warn fellow gun owners on forums. Give a heads up to your buddies at the range. Don't let these fakers take our hard earned money or collect our addresses to further their anti-gun agenda.

    If you want to read more about these charlatans, here are a couple links that have already started to expose this insincere farce:

    http://www.examiner.com/article/new-gun-group-just-like-an-old-gun-group

    http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/20...can-rifle-and-pistol-association/#more-240041
     
  2. rn-cindy

    rn-cindy Active Member

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    Thanks for the heads up.......This should be a STICKY, with flashing lights beside it.......
     

  3. towboater

    towboater Active Member

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    Thanks for posting. Ill check em out.
     
  4. vincent

    vincent New Member

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    Just looked them up on FB...

    People already calling BS...:cool:

    The exact same article Opaww posted above has been posted on their page...

    Remains to be seen if it stays up or gets deleted...

    11K 'likes' is troublesome though...
     
  5. HankStone

    HankStone New Member

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    Wolve's dressed in sheep skins,thanks!
     
  6. Rocky7

    Rocky7 New Member

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    One sign that an NGO is run by liberals is a dorky acronym.
     
  7. Overkill0084

    Overkill0084 Active Member

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    Passing on...
    Thanks for the heads up.
     
  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Austin Texas. OK- can stop right there.


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    The American Rifle and Pistol Association, Inc., and its non-profit arm, The American Rifle and Pistol Association Education Foundation is a member-centric social networking and educational organization for mainstream gun owners. R+P is the Voice of mainstream gun owners. It exists to promote SANE gun ownership and firearms management. SANE = Safety, Advocacy, Networking, and Education.




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  9. gr8oldguy

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    I just went to their website and read the bios of each of their senior managers. Here's what I found: there is nothing to suggest they are anything but what they are saying they are...a pro gun group. Their failure, and I can certainly understand why it's upsetting, is the suggestion of reasonable gun ownership! Of course, any group that might be interpreted as an honest opponent to the NRA has to vilified. BTW...I am now a new member of the that group. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. good luck
     
  10. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    So you support this?

    R+P exists to promote SANE gun ownership and SANE firearms management. SANE stands for: Safety, Advocacy, Networking, and Education.

    R+P believes that it is each state's right to determine for benefit of its citizens any prerequisites, qualifications, documentation, training, and levels of demonstrated proficiency, if any, deemed necessary for lawful use of differing types of weapon systems. The establishment of any such requirements are not the prerogative of the federal government.

    R+P seeks to work with state and local governments to help establish effective training and licensing programs designed to increase public safety while protecting eligible citizens' rights to keep and bear arms.
     
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    "responsible" "sane" "safe" are all codewords of leftists for completely stripping you of your right to keep and bear arms. there is a reason new york called it the "SAFE" act...
     
  12. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    You might want to read this,

    http://www.pagunblog.com/2013/07/03/the-latest-not-really-pro-gun-group/

    I like this part,

    Here are the screenshots that show the Connecticut converted to Texan Chairman of American Rifle & Pistol Association who is an Obama supporter who is pushing Bloomberg/MAIG’s gun control campaigns while helping to promote Moms Demand Action, a group trying to pressure companies to ban lawful concealed carry so gun owners can’t carry in public anymore and convince gun retailers to stop selling the most popular guns in the country.
     
  13. gr8oldguy

    gr8oldguy New Member

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    I'm sorry, I think your responses are nothing short of laughable. Yes I support sane gun ownership. I've been shooter and a gun owner over 50 years. I see nothing wrong with what this group is saying in it's opening statements. I'm not so narrow in my outlook that just the hint of a reasonable argument scares me into name calling. Maybe, just maybe "responsible", "sane" and "safe" are just that. To suggest that these words, when talking about gun ownership, are subversive is a very sad commentary.
     
  14. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    I see lots of red flags with this group so far.
     
  15. opaww

    opaww New Member

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    Well I sure am glad you found a new home please shut the door on you way out
     
  16. Daoust_Nat

    Daoust_Nat Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I think I will stay away. Thanks for posting. I saw nothing in their website that calls to me to join.

    C3s listing of the qualifications of their board also showed no one with any firearms background.
     
  17. rn-cindy

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    The thing is....Even if you do think things like expanded background checks, or a waiting period might be good, They would just be considered stepping stones to the gun grabbers. If you give in on one of those things,, do you think Brady, Bloomturd, etc are going to pack up, and go home...no, they are going to say...whats next....until they reach their goal...total confiscation......
     
  18. Overkill0084

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    Code. "After all, what reasonable person could be against _(insert code word here)__ measures to ensure the greater good." Don't forget to "think of the children." See standard appeal:

    [ame]http://youtu.be/Qh2sWSVRrmo[/ame]


    I'm kind of surprised they didn't think to work "Common Sense" into the narrative as well.
     
    Last edited: Jul 5, 2013
  19. rn-cindy

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    Dont forget "common sense" gun laws..