Wanted to Verify... .223 reloading

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by pagj17, Aug 22, 2010.

  1. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Alright, so, back story is My dad and I are thinking(well I WILL be, but he might split cost) about reloading, and while researching, I found loads for 80 and 90 Grain .223 on Hodgdon's Website, but for the Cartridge Over All Length, it was something like 2.5 something... Sierra's has it listed for the 90 as same, and the 80 at 2.260... We're both looking at starting off with reloading 223 first because we both of ar15's, 1-7 twist rate etc.
    So the question is, what IS the heaviest load That ya'll are aware of, that's safe, in .223, and which manual's it going to be in.
    Any and all assistance is appreciated. Furthermore I accept the disclaimers of "it's not my fault if you blow your face off" and other such things. THANKS!!!!
     
  2. TXnorton

    TXnorton New Member

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    Get a reloading manual before you do anything else!!!!!! I rcommend Lymans or Hornady.

    You may not be able to shoot some of the heavier grain bullets in the AR due to Overall Cartridge Length. You "may" be able to single shot feed them, but the OAL will probably be too long for the magazine.
     

  3. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    Who makes the 90gr 224cal bullet? Who ever makes it will have it in their reloading manual.

    Heiver bullets are single load only in an AR.

    ABC's of reloading

    Sierra reloading manual

    Hornady reloading manual

    Are the ones I would get the Lyman is a decent one. I just don't like the way it is set up.

    READ READ READ and then Read some more.
     
  4. joshfireart

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    my question is why such heavy slugs for an AR.. and seated at over 2.26 would the even fit in your mags. could see them bullets in a bolt gun. just a thought
     
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  5. Highpower

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    Why? For bucking the wind while target shooting at 500 yards plus....
    69 - 77 gr can be loaded to magazine length, 80's & 90's as pointed out must be loaded singly into the chamber. Special magazine followers are available for this purpose. Sierra recommends a 1:6.5 twist for the 90 gr Matchkings.

    If you are new to reloading, I would suggest you start with 69 gr bullets to begin your learning process after buying and reading several reloading manuals.
     
  6. joshfireart

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    that would be a good reason thanks
     
  7. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Well, My ar's got 1-7, and I'm thinking i'm going to go with the 80 grain's, once I'm up to speed and have the equipment.(sierra has a load for 2.60 OAL)
    as said above, to buck the wind, and also because in a real SHTF situation, I want as much Thunk as I can get from the round, but also be able to grab any other ammo on the run(since 5.56 is normally the most plentiful where I shoot)
    Thanks everyone!
     
  8. Highpower

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    If that is the case, then you definitely do not want to be using target (MatchKing) bullets. The jackets are very thin and not designed for any kind of expansion. While they are an excellent choice for flying straight and true to a paper target, they are useless for any type of "hunting".

    If you really insist on using a heavier match type bullet - you might want to consider using the Sierra 77 gr MatchKing with a cannelure. They can be loaded to magazine length AND crimped in place for your SHTF scenario.
    Do you really want to be dealing with a single shot rifle when your bacon is on the line? :rolleyes:
     
  9. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    Yes, yes I do(Jk)
    I'll def try the 77s, and 75s that Black hills uses?
    I didn't even think about the Lack of expansion, so very much so thank you:)
    The 80s can be loaded to mag length, and Maybe i'll use them for When I am using my wayyyy to big for the rifle scope:) but otherwise, You make wayyyy to many good points for me to even think of not heeding your advice lol.
     
  10. Highpower

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    Wow. You really do have a death wish don't you?

    Can I have your "wayyyy to(o) big for the rifle scope" after the gun blows up? ;) :D
     
  11. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    haha Well If the Gun were to blow up, It'd cut the tube in two.
    Anyways, I was just going off of what Sierra's pamphlet said (not trying to one up, I actually take your word over it as a "not worth risking my face" type of advice.)
    However something else they said (as you've told me,) is "not intended for hunting purposes" which you've been saying, so basically while not taking your word as God, I'm taking it as someone who knows way more than I probably ever will:)
    Either way, reloading's at least 3 months off for now, if not longer, which means (hopefully) plenty of time to get educated on the subject enough to follow the instructions:)
     
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  12. Txhillbilly

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    You can load Hornady 75gr AMax bullets to fit into the magazine of an AR,but on just about anything heavier the OAL is too long,and they must be shot as a single shot rifle.
    All of these bullets are MATCH bullets,and not intended as a hunting bullet.

    Speer makes a 70gr soft point,that I have been loading up for hunting purposes.

    Do yourself a favor and get several loading manuals,and study a little before you just start jumping head first into reloading.
     
  13. Highpower

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    If you have a Sierra pamphlet that has that in print, I would seriously appreciate a picture of said pamphlet or a web link of where you found it. I will personally make the drive to Sedalia and head straight to Kevin Thomas' office and inform him of the fact. Somehow I don't think he would be pleased. :rolleyes:
     
  14. pagj17

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    haha, So far I look like an idiot, because I found the one that says 2.550, but it doesn't have the 90's, but Either way If I don't find it I'll let you know, but so far, yeahhhh it's making me look really bad.
     
  15. pagj17

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    Well, I must admit defeat, although In my trying to find it, I found out I was looking at a PDF of loading data, not a pamphlet, so it didn't come from Sierra's website, but it was "Sierra's" book IF it was really Sierra's book I was looking at.... But I can't find it in Google Chrome's history, and Mozilla's won' let me look back past today.
    Thanks for putting up with me!
     
  16. Highpower

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    Hey, no harm - no foul. Anything is possible and if there is published data out there that I missed I would be interested in seeing it. I was really curious about the OAL information on the Sierra 90 gr MatchKings that you talked about - seeing as how it is not even published in their latest reloading manuals (Edition V)! :eek:

    I had to get what little test data they had on that bullet directly from one of the ballistic technicians. But having loaded and shot bu-coup 80 gr MK's in highpower matches, even the thought of loading one of those to magazine length scares the bejeebus out of me......
     
  17. pagj17

    pagj17 New Member

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    It's really bugging me... especially after all the looking into it and not being able to find it.
    Sounds almost like someone Photoshop'd it or something which really REALLY scares me. There are people who might trust that. I almost did!
    But I don't know, and I can't find any of the other pages I was looking at at the time (such as Hodgdon's)
    If I Somehow run across it again, def Sending it to Sierra to make sure they're informed.

    Anyways, I've got enough research done to make me want to Reload, particularily because of so many more options. Like softpoints that won't break the bank:)
     
  18. patret

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    I would first check the twist of the rifle barrel you are going to reload for to make sure it would accurately shoot a heavy bullet. You may be trying to reload a heavy bullet for no reason.

    Patret
     
  19. pagj17

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    it's a 1-7 twist so it should be alright haha.

    I'm interested in the hornady Tap Fdp 74(not sure if that's the right acronym and can't really look into it atm because I've only got my phone to use internet on today.) i'm just wondering if they offer the bullet for reloading?
     
  20. gschnarr

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    That is why you REALLY need to get a few reloading book and study them. Reloading is something that needs to be done in steps starting low and slowly working up from published data. Loading the 90 or 80 grain into mag length, makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up because of the amount of case capacity that is used by the projectile. The internet is a place where often misinformation is easily distributed. Always cross check.