vigilante justice

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Jagermeister, Jun 9, 2013.

  1. Jagermeister

    Jagermeister New Member

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    Those that treat Rapists, pedophiles and Murderers like fish (Catch and release) have spawned this type of response. When you know someone is that disturbed, your part of the issue if you allow them to continue their spree without capping them. Vigilantism is on the rise because actual prosecution and punishment is on the decline.

    http://www.13wham.com/news/local/st...der-rape-syracuse/H7xRhFFRAkqn_4HLBHW-EA.cspx

    The POS who did the crime above never should have been in the public after his prior crimes were dealt with. They GPS'ed him and let him go, didnt track his movements and didnt even respond to tampering alerts. A mother ended up dead, her daughter was raped and brutalized and nobody but the freak is going to be punished for allowing this to happen, Just OOPS, we will do better next time, promise! Like the Boston Terrorists, OOOps, we didnt know; yes they did know and innocent people paid the price of their piss poor job performance.

    Nobody is held accountable, only the creation of more victims. They now are worried more about folks that never committed a crime than those that have. They snoop through our mail, emails, phone logs and other details without cause while known freaks and scumbags repeat their crimes and go bigger with them every time because we do nothing to stop them, set no precedences that matter and generally coddle them.

    Justice must be just and effective, when its not, we the people wont just STFU and watch as bad people get away with horrible crimes. Its not Vigilantism if nobody with authority to stop it does anything to prevent it, its just sensible pest eradication. I swear as god is my witness, harm one of my loved ones and you wont need lawyer, you will need a Surgeon or Mortician. I dont believe those that are entrusted with dealing the cards will do anymore than stack the deck For our own good.

    One interesting note, Baseball bats are a pretty good weapon, no laws about how many swings it can contain! Perfect!
     

  3. manta

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    I can understand what happened but I have no time for vigilantes. They had them here for years and were normally bigger scumbags than the people they were dealing out their version of justice to. Maybe not in this case but you can't have good vigilantes and bad vigilantes. A example of vigilantes at work here.
    PS People that support vigilantes should try living in a country with no law and order with vigilante rule and see how they like it I also see he was accused of rape what happened to innocent until found guilty.
     
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  4. Jagermeister

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    What did he do to have "loyalist vigilantes" do this to him?
     
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    Too bad this didn't happen over here in the South. His punishment should be what he's being accused of then put on death row's express lane. He doesn't deserve any tax dollars to be sitting in prison all his life. Good for the dad and his friend!
     
  6. manta

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    He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Both sides did similar kneecapping a bullet behind the knee was a favorite one of the milder vigilantly punishments bellow tarred and feathered it can leave the person with serious burns. PS I can understand why the father did what he did that doesn't make it right.
     

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  7. WebleyFosbery38

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    Why is it good to be vigilant but bad to be a vigilantly?

    Law and order? What kind of "law" allows known terrorists, rapists and murderers to re-offend and super-size their offenses, what valuable "order" of society should support that?

    When the people do not trust their own leaders to ensure these scumbags cant repeat their crimes on someone else's son or daughter, society will respond in the vacuum. Is that a Vigilantly, maybe; is it wrong to protect our children from that which our own government wont? No, its not wrong, its the right thing to do and it will happen more often as our government refuses to do its job.

    Life aint a movie Manta, there are no do-overs in "Real Life". You cant just trust when the evidence proves otherwise. There are laws that once broken deserve to be treated with a stick proportional to the crime. Raping a child is one of them, murder is another,

    One of my Mantra's in life is, "I cant stop you from trying but I can damn sure break you of the habit".
     
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  8. c3shooter

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    Couple of observations-

    First, we have lost sight of the very origin of the Anglo-Saxon Justice system. Ever here the term "Hue and Cry"? From Wikipedia:

    In common law, a hue and cry is a process by which bystanders are summoned to assist in the apprehension of a criminal who has been witnessed in the act of committing a crime.

    By the Statute of Winchester of 1285, 13 Edw. I cc. 1 and 4, it was provided that anyone, either a constable or a private citizen, who witnessed a crime shall make hue and cry, and that the hue and cry must be kept up against the fleeing criminal from town to town and from county to county, until the felon is apprehended and delivered to the sheriff. All able-bodied men, upon hearing the shouts, were obliged to assist in the pursuit of the criminal, which makes it comparable to the posse comitatus. It was moreover provided that "the whole hundred … shall be answerable" for any theft or robbery, in effect a form of collective punishment. Those who raised a hue and cry falsely were themselves guilty of a crime


    Please note that ALL able bodied members of the community were responsible for APPREHENDING felons observed IN THE ACT, and for delivering them to the Reeve of the Shire (Sheriff).

    However, when people become convinced that doing that produces no results, they take actions other than delivering the felon to the officer of the crown.

    Does that make it right? No. Does it make it understandable? Yes. I am not a lawyer, but one of the defenses to committing a criminal act is undue provocation- and another is the "irresistible act"- if I were standing next to a uniformed police officer, I would STILL have done the thing.

    In the ORIGINAL post- was the accused guilty? Don't know. Can I understand what daddy did? Hell, I would have loaned him the bat.

    As a historical note, when people have decided that they will NOT receive justice at the hands of the King's men, what happens?

    In the US, after the Civil War, it helped create the KKK. In Palestine in the 1920's, the Haganah. Ireland has its own examples.

    Watch the original Godfather. Why did people seek justice thru Don Corleone? Because the felt they would get it.
     
  9. manta

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    So its OK in your view to attack and near kill someone accused of a crime people have being falsely accused in the past.
    Every one is good at quoting the constitution regards the right to bear arms. Do they just pick the parts of the construction they like.
     
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  10. Jagermeister

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    If my daughter said somebody raped her, I would tend to believe her. I rather trust my daughter then the rapist.
     
  11. manta

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    I understand what you are saying. The parents of these individuals probably believed them as well.

    We are talking about rape on this occasion but people are falsely accused of crimes all the time.
     
  12. PanBaccha

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    Interesting thread brings out an interesting movie (The Purge) just released in hundreds of theatres two days ago. ;)



    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/Watch?v=qduXtooqorI&feature=youtube[/ame]
     
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  13. SSGN_Doc

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    Had a friend whose foster child accused him of rape when he took her cell phone away after she cut school. Cost him ALOT, financially, personally, emotionally, socially to prove his innocence.

    Not saying this is the case here, but it is why we have a court system and rule of law.
     
  14. MisterMcCool

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    The girl claims to have been raped after getting drunk and passing out in the bed of the guy who was asking for sex in a text message. Reasonable doubt.
     
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    Um, yes in this case it does not seem like the girl was as innocent as the driven snow.

    If my daughter were raped, I might be tempted to act on my own, but if caught would expect to be prosecuted. What we are talking about here is revenge, not justice. It is against our whole concept of a justice system where guilt or innocence is determined in a court of law, not by mob rule.
     
  16. Jagermeister

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    You know, I do not think I would find my daughters in this situation in the first place. They have good Christian upbringing. I teach my children to always be aware when around others. Never put yourself in a compromising situation. Do not impair yourself in public. I also teach them combatives with and without weapons. Notice I did not say self defense. Karate and such will not help you in the real world. There is no points or stopping matches. Back to topic, when you take ones stupidity and naivety out of the equation, all there is left is the predator. That is why I would believe my daughter. Then again, if my daughter remembers her training, maybe I would not have to get involved. I might have to help with the wet cleanup though.
     
  17. WebleyFosbery38

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    I mostly agree with what your saying but have become less trusting of our gov to get it right and make sure it doesnt happen again (the OJ effect). Watching OJ play golf after getting away with murder was pretty demoralizing. Micheal Jackson got the same treatment, catch and release. The two Boston bombers could have easily been prevented form committing the crimes they were obviously planning but that didnt happen either.

    Our own gov has become distracted from doing the jobs they are supposed to, to busy creating mew crimes to deal with the ones that offend age old norms. Criminals getting away with murder only inspire vigilantism and street justice.

    Locally, we have one dead teacher and her daughter that was raped and brutalized by a sex offender that was under the watchful eye of the law. This type of thing causes us to make sure it cant happen again.

    Right or wrong, if it stops crooks from attacking your wife or daughter, you would do whatever it took to do it!
     
  18. dango

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    Like a subtle , cold , cool , calm pool of non- feeling , non-caring , methodical ,
    Breath of air..! There and gone , barely not there at all..!

    Just don't have a clue what a man might do or feel..! BUT , I WONDER .!
     
  19. Sniper03

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    I guess I am a little confused here on this one! Let me see, he texted her and advised her he wanted her to come over drink, smoke marijuana and have sex!And she even asked him about why he wanted to have sex with her prior to the incident! If I am not mistaken my Question is, why did she go there in the first place and expect anything different since the game plan had already been revealed by the scum ball? And then she woke up in his bed! Boy that is a shock. Certainly not taking up for the scum bag but something just isn't right on this one! Simply the scum bag being a multiple offender should just be shot and save the taxpayers a lot of money.

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  20. JTJ

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    It is a no win situation. If you take the law into your own hands you can expect the law to deal with you as a criminal. I dont know if the guy got what he deserved or if the girl just had a grudge. In the old Mafia days the guy would have had every bone in his body broken by a highly skilled unknown assailant and left alive on purpose. They had a lot of specialists.