Veterans medical evaluation

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by gwk4667, Jan 15, 2012.

  1. gwk4667

    gwk4667 New Member

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    With some of the medical issues I'm starting to have I'm now seeing a Veterans doctor at least every 6 months.

    All of the staff is great - - - could not get better treatment any where!

    One thing I was told by the staff is they are required to ask "have you ever thought of killing or injuring yourself or anyone else"?

    If you go in and are asked that question do not say yes!

    If you say yes the staff must place it in your record and you will be classified as mentally incompetent and you will have all firearms removed for life! This cannot be reversed as of now.

    I feel this is stupid as we were taught to kill and injure as our training. Plus at some time I'm sure if you are honest you might have wanted to injure someone!

    So I guess they are now telling us we have to lie because we have served! Civilians do not have this issue ( yet)
     
  2. boatme98

    boatme98 New Member

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    Yep, you have to stay ahead of them. It is good care, just be careful on the questionaires.
     

  3. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Please- this is internet urban legend. Do not keep passing this around.
     
  4. alsaqr

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  5. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    I am glad it has been debunked. I must have been hallucinating when I went into the emergency room about 6 months ago and they asked me that question.:rolleyes:
     
  6. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Oh they do ask the question. They just don't make a judgement on your mental competence unless or until you see an actual head shrinker. And unless you exhibit some mental deficiency that requires them to take physical control over you (such as a suicide attempt) to keep yourself and others around you safe, then they can't force you to see a head shrinker.

    They ask me if I'm suicidal every time I talk to them.
     
  7. gwk4667

    gwk4667 New Member

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    Next time I'm there ( about a month from now ) I will take the debunking info as the nurse there acted like she was giving me a great secret!
     
  8. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Nurses get lied to too, just because she works there doesn't mean she has an inside track to all the different nuances of how they operate.
     
  9. Tackleberry1

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    Never had the VA ask this. Have seen it on a couple of civi docs questionairs. On the "do you have guns in the home" question, I like answer NUNYA.

    Actually had a nurse call 2 days later to ask if NUNYA was a type of gun?

    Tack
     
  10. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    To be asked questions like "Do you feel safe in your home?" is not unusual- especially in the ER (My wife had an ER visit 2 months ago- she has a CNS disease that causes choking when eating).

    However, to be declared mentally incompetent (read the first post in this thread) takes a lot more than making a note in your chart- it takes an order from a judge.

    And yes, nurses can also get rolled up into urban legends.
     
  11. Vincine

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    It goes sort of like this:

    Do you have suicidal thoughts? (Do you have the interest?) If yes;
    Have you made a plan? (Is it more than an idle or passing thought?) If yes;
    Do you have the gun, pills, rope, etc. available (Do you have the means?)

    My response(s) depend on what the answers are.
     
  12. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    Your the one asking the questions right? Aren't you a nurse?

    Personally, I've thought of suicide, but I have no desire. Its more along the lines of "what the hell are people thinking" and then "damn that would make a mess for my wife to clean up"

    I guess I can feel nonchalant about it because I don't fear death (never said I WANT to die though) I am, however, completely terrified of being injured and living as an invalid even for a short time. When I got a hernia on the job and it took me 4 months to get it fixed and then recover, those were the worst 4 months of my life, and it wasn't even all that debilitating, I just wasn't allowed to lift anything over 5 pounds.
     
  13. Vincine

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    I'm an RN. I'm doing Case Management for the Office for the Aging.
     
  14. trip286

    trip286 New Member

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    I thought I remembered something like that, thank you for what you do.
     
  15. JTJ

    JTJ Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Yes, I think they asked me that too. I would not have been there if I felt suicidal.
     
  16. Vikingdad

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    I once went in to my doc (non military) because I was having trouble sleeping. He said depression causes that and asked me if I ever thought about suicide. I replied that I think of it every time I hear about somebody doing it, but I never have thought of doing it myself outside of the "What if?" questions. In hindsight I should not have been so honest.

    Glad to hear it is urban legend. But at the same time it is probably best not to answer too honestly, but if you are at all suicidal please, by God, do be honest about it! They can help you but only if they know you need help.

    PTSD is nothing to be ashamed of nor is it something one can work out on their own. It is quite serious in all cases.
     
  17. stoppingpower

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    I've wondered about PTSD.. why is it pretty unheard of for past war veterans? Like American Revolution for example. I don't know maybe I haven't really looked into it

    Wyoming is what America was
     
  18. trip286

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    I think PTSD has always been around in one form or another. There is no way a mind can go through those kinds of experiences and not come out unscathed. In WWII they called in shell shocked. I think before that (like as far back as the revolution and Civil War) they just dealt with it.

    Society has changed, these days it seems like everyone is encouraged to be a victim. While PTSD is a very real problem, and can be very debilitating, back in the day the men affected by it would just deal with it however they could. Just like today, this could mean turning to drugs or alcohol, becoming violent, turning to a life of crime, or they could pour their lives into church and family there by dealing with their problems in a positive way.

    Long story short, I'm sure it's always been around, you just hear about it more nowadays.
     
  19. stoppingpower

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    Oh snap I forgot about shell shock.. I've heard storys of when ww2 vets returned home for the first time they would hear a load noise and hit the ground just outta reaction... I can see how seeing so much choas like that can really screw with a guys head.

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  20. trip286

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    I'm sure it was the same for previous generations too, but communications just weren't the same. Consider this, Vietnam was considered the first "televised" war, that was the sixties. Back before WWII, the stories just didn't get out there the way they do now.