Veterans are receiving letters from VA prohibiting the ownership or purchase firearms

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Bigcountry02, Feb 22, 2013.

  1. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    FYI! They will make an end-around for weapons using other means.

    I posted the jpeg of the letters; however, too small to open. The site below has them on the bottom of the page.

    http://redflagnews.com/headlines/di...iving-or-transporting-a-firearm-or-ammunition

    Written By Constitutional Attorney Michael Connelly, J.D.

    How would you feel if you received a letter from the U.S. Government informing you that because of a physical or mental condition that the government says you have it is proposing to rule that you are incompetent to handle your own financial affairs? Suppose that letter also stated that the government is going to appoint a stranger to handle your affairs for you at your expense? That would certainly be scary enough but it gets worse.

    What if that letter also stated: “A determination of incompetency will prohibit you from purchasing, possessing, receiving, or transporting a firearm or ammunition. If you knowingly violate any of these prohibitions, you may be fined, imprisoned, or both pursuant to the Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, Pub.L.No. 103-159, as implemented at 18, United States Code 924(a)(2).”?

    That makes is sound like something right from a documentary on a tyrannical dictatorship somewhere in the world. Yet, as I write this I have a copy of such a letter right in front of me. It is being sent by the U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs to hundreds, perhaps thousands, of America’s heroes. In my capacity as Executive Director of the United States Justice Foundation (USJF) I have been contacted by some of these veterans and the stories I am getting are appalling.

    The letter provides no specifics on the reasons for the proposed finding of incompetency; just that is based on a determination by someone in the VA. In every state in the United States no one can be declared incompetent to administer their own affairs without due process of law and that usually requires a judicial hearing with evidence being offered to prove to a judge that the person is indeed incompetent. This is a requirement of the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution that states that no person shall “… be deprived of life, liberty, or property without due process of law…”.

    Obviously, the Department of Veterans Affairs can’t be bothered by such impediments as the Constitution, particularly since they are clearly pushing to fulfill one of Obama’s main goals, the disarming of the American people. Janet Napolitano has already warned law enforcement that some of the most dangerous among us are America’s heroes, our veterans, and now according to this letter from the VA they can be prohibited from buying or even possessing a firearm because of a physical or mental disability.

    Think about it, the men and women who have laid their lives on the line to defend us and our Constitution are now having their own Constitutional rights denied. There are no clear criteria for the VA to declare a veteran incompetent. It can be the loss of a limb in combat, a head injury, a diagnosis of PTSD, or even a soldier just telling someone at the VA that he or she is depressed over the loss of a buddy in combat. In none of these situations has the person been found to be a danger to themselves or others. If that was the case than all of the Americans who have suffered from PTSD following the loss of a loved one or from being in a car accident would also have to be disqualified from owning firearms. It would also mean that everyone who has ever been depressed for any reason should be disarmed. In fact, many of the veterans being deprived of their rights have no idea why it is happening.

    The answer seems to be it is simply because they are veterans. At the USJF we intend to find the truth by filing a Freedom of Information Act request to the Department of Veterans Affairs to force them to disclose the criteria they are using to place veterans on the background check list that keeps them from exercising their Second Amendment rights. Then we will take whatever legal steps are necessary to protect our American warriors.

    The reality is that Obama will not get all of the gun control measures he wants through Congress, and they wouldn’t be enough for him anyway. He wants a totally disarmed America so there will be no resistance to his plans to rob us of our nation. That means we have to ask who will be next. If you are receiving a Social Security check will you get one of these letters? Will the government declare that you are incompetent because of your age and therefore banned from firearm ownership. It certainly fits in with the philosophy and plans of the Obama administration. It is also certain that our military veterans don’t deserve this and neither do any other Americans.

    -- Michael Connelly, J.D.

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  2. rhyno13

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    I'll call B.S.

    I'm A veteran and know many veterans and I have not heard of any of these going around.
     

  3. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    Did read the 3 pages posted, the personal information has been cut out to protect the veteran. Look at page 2.

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  4. BigByrd47119

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    Thats a scarey thought.
     
  5. molonlabexx

    molonlabexx New Member

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    This is true. Obviously it's not going to be received by all the veterans but soon. Another path down the road to tyranny.
     
  6. BigByrd47119

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    PATH?!? :eek:

    Its more like a highway to hell if its true!!! :eek: :eek: :eek:
     
  7. TexasGunner

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    This is absolutely ludicrous. Just another example of our government sh!$$ing on the very people who sacrifice their lives, bodies, families and so much more in the service of protecting our nation. I'm truly ashamed of our government and the imbessils who elected these asshats. :mad:
     
  8. orangello

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    I am currently concerned about one of our clients with PTSD; he needs his firearms to continue working as a LEO.
     
  9. Robert NC

    Robert NC New Member

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    True or Not makes me know that the next time I go to the VA will not mention PTSD or any other mental pangs.
     
  10. BigByrd47119

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    Which is a whole nother can of worms :D

    We cannot allow all mentally disabled firearms as some are truly not safe to the community with them, but we cannot block all persons with mental disabilities from owning guns as not all ARE dangerous.

    Its like saying "A hispanic guy raped me" and the police arrest every hispanic guy within 5 miles on charges of rape.

    We need more than a hammer to fix these problems!
     
  11. Irishgiant215

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    :eek:
    More people are killed with hammers than rifles. It would be a lot of leg work but I think we could solve our problems with hammers. :D :D
     
  12. JWagner

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    Do you consider Connelly and redflagnews to be trusted sources of news? I took a look at some of his past writings and they remind me of the old Radio Moscow short wave radio news programs. I am not convinced that his story is for real.
     
  13. locutus

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    I think I'd like some independent confirmation as well.
     
  14. Holmes375

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    Agreed. I'm not ready to blow this one around my usual network until I am confident of its legitimacy.

    I'm a veteran but no PTSD diagnosis. That said, I'm confident the gooberment would find my mental state unacceptable in some other way, shape or form :) For instance, I once heard a VA psychiatric practitioner make a comment in passing to a fellow associate regarding his concern about combat soldiers whom show no sign of PTSD and how this might indicate a lack of social/moral conscience. I kid you not :eek:
     
  15. BigByrd47119

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    I totally believe you.

    Ask Locust what kind of behaviour might pass as suspicious from a LEO's perspective. Complete stop at stop signs, turn signal at EVERY turn, in other words, strickt adherance to the law.
     
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  16. Tackleberry1

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    How many pages are these letters?

    I'm just currious about the "pain threshold" when the guy who signed one gets it shoved up his arse by a Veteran?

    Tack
     
  17. HOSSFLY

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    More like a helluva lot more :rolleyes:
    So much bullshet around think i'll just watch porn for awhile-
    Least i believe MOST of it ;)
     
  18. bobski

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    i was part of the process of determining my vet father incapable of determining his affairs. trust me....you have to be jello in order for VA to sign off on it.

    they dont just strike a pen and poof, youre incompetent.

    i think its a little over the top. you would have to be institutionalized to be deemed incapable.
     
  19. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Nope:p

    Running folks off of the road. Flipping off little old ladies.
    Running like hell for no apparent reason whenever you see a cop.
     
  20. ellis36

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    This is the letter referenced to. I don’t claim to be expert in this, but from what I can tell (the letter says as much) there can be a point where the VA can determine a veteran to be 'incapable of handling his VA benefits because of physical or mental condition.’ And the VA, in this same letter, is labeling this condition ‘incompetent' and is using that term to deny him any involvement in weapons in any way under threat of fines and imprisonment.

    What all the discussion is about is whether or not a diagnosed condition of ‘PTSD’ will automatically place a veteran in this classification. As far as we know it is not yet a ‘fait accompli.’

    This is a site to check out.

    http://specialoperationsspeaks.com/articles/defend-veteran-s-gun-rights
     

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