Veteran advice

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by sbeezy, Jun 29, 2013.

  1. sbeezy

    sbeezy New Member

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    I'm going into the army recruiting office on monday to hopefully start the enlistment process. Any advice from the veterans out there?
     
  2. SSGN_Doc

    SSGN_Doc Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, join the Navy. :D

    If you're going into the Army, pick an MOS that is guaranteed before you sign the contract. Pick one that will give you a skill that you can use on the outside. Pick one that is a bit above and beyond to improve your advancement potential. Advancement means you will move up in rank faster, which means more pay and higher possibility for retention if you decide you want to stick it out to 20 years and retire.

    Math, Science, Engineering, Medical. All marketable on the outside.
     

  3. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    Anything in the medical field is a great MOS.

    Did ya consider any of the other branches?
     
  4. sbeezy

    sbeezy New Member

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    Thanks for replying guys. I originally wanted to do the marine corps. I was ready to sign and everything when I was 18 but after I got all my medical records (I'd had meningitis and as a result of all the pain mess developed gall stones an had my gall bladder removed) I got disqualified for 6 months. Then got lazy and got out of shape and got tattoos. That was about 3 years ago. Now I can't get in the corps cause of my tattoos. So I'm going for the army now. I was planning on intelligence but until you mentioned medical I hadn't even considered it. I'm gonna read up on that.
     
  5. JW357

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    I definitely think intel is a good choice. Limitless opportunity for employment when you get out, as the Intel Community isn't going anywhere. Government jobs, civilian contracting jobs, the sky's the limit. It's rewarding, it's beneficial, the pay can be good after you get out. Plus you're going to be in an essential job for the security of the country. And you'll have a TS-SCI clearance, which is invaluable. Pick up a language while you're in, either because of your MOS or because you're a hard charger, and that will pad the resume.

    But what's more more important is that you pick an MOS which you feel you will be able to live with for awhile. Expect to be in it longer than four years. You don't want to realize you hate your job after six months.

    In terms of dealing with recruiters, don't let them "promise" you anything unless its in your contract. At the end of the day what's in writing is what matters. Do your research and don't fall for certain things they will tell you which might sound too good to be true. They probably are.

    Remember, you are going to them. They didn't find you, which means they don't have to work to keep you around. This is your advantage. Just remember that if something smells fishy to you, you can back out. I wouldn't sign any paperwork until you've done all your homework and you're 100% confident with the whole process.
     
  6. sbeezy

    sbeezy New Member

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    Thanks. Intel is what I've been leaning toward and I've done more research on that than anything. My dad's cousin was in intel and now he has a decent paying job in dc. Plus it sounds interesting. Thanks for the advice. I'm going to make sure I read my contract VERY thoroughly. I'd like to think most recruiters are honest, but one can't really rely on that being fact. From what I've read the army guarantees jobs even before entering DEP. my plan is to go in and be adamant about what job I want and let them know (respectfully of course) that I won't take less than what I ask for. After all it is my life and job for the next 4+ years. It would be a shame to get stuck in something I despise.
     
  7. JW357

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    Exactly. Perfect mindset. I would add that there's a good chance most MOS' are going to be closed out right now. Usually jobs open in October when the fiscal year starts, and then close a few months later (for the Corps). What you can do (again, with the Marine Corps, not sure about the Army) is sign a general contract to guarantee you a spot, so to speak, and then sign a new MOS specific contract when the jobs open up. Or just not sign anything now and wait until October to sign. Start talking to them, though. Absolutely. No harm in that. Just don't think you have to sign and ship to boot camp immediately. There's no rush, especially if waiting ups your chances of getting the MOS you want.

    Best of luck to you.
     
  8. sbeezy

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    Yeah I'm already resigned to the fact I'll have to wait at least 3 months. I'm sort of in a hurry but that's just mentally. I'm excited to get started and move on in life. But I don't want to trade an early ship date for a job I hate.
     
  9. chuckusaret

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    As someone stated, pick a military occupational specialty(MOS) that can be used in civilian life. Medical Equipment Repair (MOS 68A) and Aviation Electronic Equipment Repair (MOS 94L)trained personnel are much sought after in the civilian job market. Check on career fields that offer an enlistment bonus. Whatever field you select make sure it is listed on your oath of enlistment. You can also take a pre enlistment aptitude test to see if you qualify for the MOS that you have selected or possibly qualify you for more a more advanced course. The sample test will also point out areas where you are falling short before you take the actual battery of tests. You can also review the Army school catalog that list all MOS's and schools offered for each and necessary qualifications.

    If you have a college degree, check on officers candidate school or flight school, if qualified/selected you will attend training after you complete basic training.

    Note; the aptitude test scores will be used throughout your service career and qualify or disqualify you for future advanced schooling.

    I wish you well......
     
  10. SSGN_Doc

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    Navy Hospital Corps provides all the medical support for the Marine Corps. Navy crypto the techs tend to do a lot of the intel work for Navy and Marine Corps as well. Depending on the extent of the tattoos, they may be waiverable.

    Navy Hospital Corpsmen have a chance if operating in many communities, Sea, Air, or Land components, between ships , subs, aviation, construction units, there seriously is a lot the Navy can offer in career training and experiences.

    The intel guys also work in many environments.

    Just something to consider.
     
  11. FL-panhandle

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    +1 for Navy. Hospital Corpsman is an excellent field to go into and you have options for further training (C School) . Highly marketable & preferred in civilian job market
     
  12. chuckusaret

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    I would not, based on my past experience, volunteer for airborne or Ranger training on enlistment no matter what the recruiter says or claims it will do for your career. I did and on completion was assigned to an airborne unit without first attending the school I selected on enlistment but was allowed to attend the following fiscal year.
     
  13. sbeezy

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    I have my associates degree. I've considered the officer route but I honestly don't know if I'd be ready for that. I'm 21 and I guess I don't trust myself to be in charge of other people at this point. As far as the navy, it just doesn't appeal to me for some reason. I'm from a navy town and have family in the navy. Maybe some of the goobers I've seen roll through town have put me off. The number one tip I've heard from both you guys and other people has been to read, read, and read my contract.

    Has anyone here gotten screwed on their contracts or lied to? If so what are some tricks to watch out for?
     
  14. SSGN_Doc

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    If you can get a bachelors first, you would still be better off in the long run. If you consider the career route and go to retirement, the retirement pay is much better.

    Don't worry about leading right away. The military branches have a way if bringing junior officers up with good mentor ship from senior enlisted and senior officers to help bring you up to speed if you are willing to listen and learn.
     
  15. sbeezy

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    Is there any downside to waiting to go the officer route until after I've been in a while in order to see if I wanna stay for the long haul?
     
  16. JW357

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    I personally think the officers who are enlisted first make better officers. There are exceptions of course, but generally speaking Mustangs are the best officers. You will have more respect amongst your troops, too.
     
  17. SSGN_Doc

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    The downside is that there can be obstacles to completing your degree. Duties, not enough seniority or qualifications to be allowed school time or tuition assistance. So it could take a lot longer.

    My intention when I joined the Navy was to do one six year enlistment and get out and finish the two years left on my bachelors degree. Twelve years later I got a bachelors degree. But I was too old for a commission with that particular degree. Been in 19 years now. Getting ready to try and complete a masters before I retire.
     
  18. dango

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    Wow , a real hero with a great mind set..! I wish you the best of luck..! Seems like whatever you choose , you will succeed..! Whatever , when ever , you come back whole..! You've got the advice and all I can add is keep your head down..!

    We need good people state side to my friend so you come back(WHOLE , MIND , BODY) , WHOLE..! ;)
     
  19. sbeezy

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    That's definitely something to think about. Thanks for talkin to me and sharing your experience.

    And I'll try my best Dango. Haha. Thanks.
     
  20. JW357

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    Yes it might take longer to finish your degree once you're in, but you can usually do a large portion of it at no cost to you, especially since they brought back tuition assistance. You can't beat leaving the military with X number of years work experience, all sorts of certs and a clearance, a bachelors degree, and with close to $0 in student loan debt.

    On a side night, since you already have your AA degree, if you join the Navy you could come in with a little bit more rank.