Very Concerning

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by Dillinger, Sep 3, 2009.

  1. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    So, I absolutely love watching shows on true crime. I watch them all. Forensics Files. Cold Case Files. City Confidential. Snapped. All that stuff.

    So, no surprise, I am addicted to a show called Gangland. I love seeing these morons get big quick and how stupid they are just before they get caught.

    Well, that all ended today.

    I just watched an episode about a gang from Mexico that is active in and around Laredo, Tx.

    Los Zetas

    This gang is a MUCH more pressing issue to the safety of the American people than anyone else at this time, I personally believe.

    They go back and forth across the border, pretty much at will, and their idea of a "warning" to back off, is a group of military trained hitmen sent to your house to kill you and everyone you love. That's a "warning".

    This drug cartel hired soldiers of the Mexican army that were trained at Fort Benning by the US Special Forces back at the start of the war on drugs during the Reagan Administration.

    No surprise, the cartel pays A LOT better.

    They train their "recruits" in weapons, tactics, surveillence, counter intel, interrogation, ambushes, all sorts of crazy stuff.

    Now, if you cross the Crips, or the Bloods, or the Hell's Angels, you might catch a beatdown, or perhaps a drive by.

    You cross Los Zetas and they will kill everyone you love and then take you, alive, to a secure place, put you in a 55 gallon drum, cover you in diesel fuel and burn you alive!! :eek:

    These guys are organized, they are ruthless, they are richer than almost any single source in the Northern Hemisphere and they will stop at nothing to get you.

    They sent a hit squad across the border into Texas to kill an entire family of a guy who was merely looking for his missing step daughter, who was rumored to be kidnapped and given as a "gift" to the local Los Zeta leader in some jerk water town across the border by the Federales.

    You want to know who is causing all the dead bodies in the Border War - I would wage dollars to doughnuts it's these crazy M'Fers.....

    Oh yeah, and they talked about their weapons. They don't buy them at gun shows in the US. They buy them by the CASE LOAD from South American and other sources on the black market. No semi-auto AR's in their arsenal. Everything was top of the line, hard core killer kit.

    One hit = over 78 empty shell cases on the ground around a vehicle that got hit by a two stage ambush at a stop light. :eek:

    I am going to go hug my AR now and load a few extra mags..... Just in case.
     
  2. meek

    meek New Member

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    I love that show and those guys seem pretty bad.
     

  3. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I watch all of those shows, too. Masterminds is another good one. I wanted to watch that Gangland episode this evening, but I got caught up in something else. I will have to look for the replay. Thanks for the heads up.

    *loading mags now and checking ammo count*
     
  4. notdku

    notdku Administrator Staff Member

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    Living in Texas the rest of the USA seems about 5 years behind what everyone here knows, that there is an actual War going on at our border. It's frustrating to say the least how people preach about how we need reform, no border wall, no more security funds when they have no clue what's going on. It's even more frustrating when they wrap their ideologies in this disguise that we who want border security are just racist. People boggle my mind.
     
  5. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    What do you think the best way to stop them would be?
     
  6. IGETEVEN

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    JD, I touched on this subject way back in a "If SHTF here in the states" thread, and in the post I invited Ineff to join me when I go back accross the border to my old AO in South America, and that the Drug Cartels were hiring.

    The post was the one with the bug crawling around. Hmmm.....guilty as charged and as seen in the weapons for Contras scandal, the U.S. interest's of good intentions to the Colombian government and Mexico, again, have turned our willingness to help, against us, only to have it come back to take a serious and deadly bite, out of all of our asses. :mad:

    Jack
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    ^^

    Boss, prior to this episode, I was very concerned about MS-13.

    I felt that they were a serious risk, but I was not as concerned because their methodology was very much at the street level and their organization was pretty much non-existant.

    What I saw from Los Zetas was a very organized, very well funded group of VERY ruthless killers.

    The fact that they are now operating in something like 10 states, already, and are expanding, is very scary to me.

    I have NEVER seen a gang with this level of intelligence, this level of military operational background and this level of ruthlessness.

    Their hitman teams use counter-surveillence for crying out loud. Not only are they spying on you, clocking when you leave for work, clocking when you go for coffee, where you go for dinner, they are also making sure that you, or anyone else, doesn't notice what they are doing.

    Check this out.

    They are truly a formidable and scary "opponent" in my mind.
     
  8. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    :eek:

    I gotta get an AR!
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    How would you negotiate with a rattlesnake coiled to strike??

    If your answer was anything LESS than taking it's god damn head off, you have already failed the test IMO.

    Hit them harder, hit them faster, hit them more often and with more ruthless effeciency until they move back across the border, give up the drug corridor, and slink back to South America.

    And THEN hit them again, with as much force as possible....

    This gang actually has me concerned, and I live in the Pacific Northwest.

    Their tactics are unlike anything I have seen from any other gang. They study, plan and hit a target the same way people that I know would go about eliminating someone. And that scares me. :eek:

    JD
     
  10. Yunus

    Yunus New Member

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    I agree that is one way to stop them and an effective one, however very difficult to implement. My question was somewhat of a setup(Pot stirrer and all), the other way to stop them IMO would be to remove their customer base. Legalizing and taxing drugs would result in a similar result.
     
  11. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    Remember these covert tactics and surveillance when the landscapers are out front mowing and trimming your hedges. Look real close next time and pay attention to detail. :cool:

    Jack
     
  12. Gojubrian

    Gojubrian New Member

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    I don't need no stinkin landscapers!! :D
     
  13. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Yunus - Respectfully, you and I will NEVER see eye to eye on these types of issues.

    Having said that, these guys are moving 500 to 600 KILOS a MONTH of pure cocaine! Legalize it, and they will quadruple those numbers.

    If you allow THAT level of drug influx, it won't be long before every syndicate in the world is wanting to bring that level of product into the country.

    Once you have that level of competition, you can't help but have one cartel wanting to stamp out the others and garner the whole of the source.

    They are already doing that all over Mexico, South America, and in a lot of dark alleys all over the US.

    So then what?

    You are going to have the government buy the drugs and then sell them like they do liqour in some states??
     
  14. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Who the hell can afford to have someone else trimming your hedges in THIS economy?!?!

    Obviously Black Ops for the military pays better than I thought... :eek:
     
  15. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    I am not in the military or "black ops" anymore, and I trim and mow my own yard, thank you. :rolleyes:

    Jack
     
  16. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    I was concerned about MS-13 as well. These guys are scary and they're trained. Very scary. I guess it will come down to superior tactics and firepower.
     
  17. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    :D

    You are the one who brought it up. :rolleyes:

    JD
     
  18. IGETEVEN

    IGETEVEN New Member

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    MS-13 are the chumps and will eventually become the foot soldiers for Los Zetas, IMO.

    Jack
     
  19. Yunus

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    Your are correct, we will not see eye to eye on it(but I put it out there because I really do believe it is worth a try, the war on drugs has failed) and I respect your view on it. I also respect your way of dealing with them, I didn't see that Gangland but just reading enough about MS-13 makes anyone realize traditional send a person to jail tactics do not work with these people, however its tough to do what needs to be done via legal methods and the government must do it legally, if they violate the rules to stop this gang today, then by tomorrow they will be violating the rules to stop whatever is next on their list.
     
  20. Bigcountry02

    Bigcountry02 Coffee! If your not shaking, you need another cup Supporter

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    I have someone better that cuts the lawn! The Wife! :D