Velocity of 1858 Army

Discussion in 'Blackpowder & Musket' started by Scratchammo, May 22, 2011.

  1. Scratchammo

    Scratchammo New Member

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    I can't find much info online so I figure I'll ask. I have two 1858s, one is an 8" & the other is 5-1/2". I don't have a chronograph & I'm trying to see what velocities I can get from the short barrel preferably with Lee conicals. So how much velocity am I losing with the short barrel?
     
  2. wmille01

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    If it's not online sounds like you have an opportunity to get a chronograph and get to go to the range. I can tell you this, the long the barrel the more velocity of the bullet because the charge has more time to push it, so you are losing velocity with a shorter barrel but I don't imagine it's a major amount.
     

  3. orangello

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    I would think it would be a good bit of loss with slow-burning black powder (& substitutes).

    I would be interested in your results.
     
  4. tiberius10721

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    I own a 1858 remington with 8 inch barrel and I just purchased a chrony next time I go to an outdoor range ill post the results!:)
     
  5. cuate

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    Velocity, 1858 New Army

    Mine is a brand new made by Pietta, in Italy. I just happen to have a five hole cylinder for .45Long Colt cartridges...It's a beautiful pistol with a 5 1/2 inch barrel and shoots on a par with my ability.

    I am certain that round balls using black powder as the pistol was intended would not have the fps nor knockdown power as the .45 Long Colt. But that was not the question asked, excuse me for getting carried away with my new Five Shooter...

    I'm rolling my own cartridges with 200 gr. lead, lubricated bullets and using
    7.2 grs. of Bullseye smokeless gunpowder. Never use smokeless in a black powder pistol unless you have the proper cartridge cylinder !

    Am reloading by hand with a Lyman 310 tool (pliers type) as it was done over a hundred years ago. This is not my first 1858 shooting ,45LCs...

    My apology to the original post, I did not mean to swipe his post, I'll try to do better about that in the future...
     
  6. Scratchammo

    Scratchammo New Member

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    Awesome. I look forward to your results.
     
  7. Hawg

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    That's with a 30 grain charge. You can get 1000-1100 fps with a 58. Comparing a JHP to a soft lead ball doesn't work. The ball will get much more expansion. It may not have the penetration but it will f*** you up.
     
  8. Hawg

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    No but the 8 inch will.
     
  9. Hawg

    Hawg New Member

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    Not with 40 grains of powder. I don't think it's misleading.
     
  10. jpattersonnh

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    I load 200 gr round ball and 160gr conical over 40gr Pyrodex. You can watch the roundball through the smoke ring. Moves pretty slow, but does allot of damage to metal coffee cans filled w/ water. Tares them up something nasty.
    I use the 160's in my .44-40 Rifle for plinking also.
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  11. dgray64

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    35 grains of fffg will give you velocities in the 925-935 range with a round ball. I load my Remington 1858 New model Army replica with a mix of fffg and fffg powder with a .451 conical and get velocities in the same range.

    So we are talking 45ACP velocitys with the same weight slug. No wonder they were effective people stoppers
     
  14. Scratchammo

    Scratchammo New Member

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    Impressive. Is that with the 8" bbl?
     
  15. dgray64

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    Could you please clarify? Thanks. I figure that you mean 3fg and 4fg powders, but it could be 2fg and 3fg. Thanks for your help, I do love my 1858.

    Dave :confused:
     
  16. cauterizer

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    remington '58 velocities w/conical bullets

    I belong to several black powder forums and had the same questions about conicals for my Remington 1858...keep in mind that when you shoot black powder...black magic can influence actual outcome....

    I've never tried a .452 or .454 250 - 255gr. bullet in any of my C&B revolvers but I do shoot the Lee .456 220gr. Conical in my Pietta 1858 with a 5.5" barrel & my Uberti 1858 Millenium with 30gr. FFFG Goex charge & they are noticeable but not too hateful in recoil.

    General Ballistics:

    Bullet = .456 220 grain Cast Lee conical bullet .138 BC.
    Powder = Goex FFFg black powder.
    Primer = Remington #11

    5-1/2” Barrel Average Ballistics.
    30gr. Volume = 702 fps. 242 ft. lbs.

    8” barrel ballistics.
    .456 220 grain Cast Lee conical bullet .138 BC.
    30gr. Volume = 764 fps. 286 ft. Lbs.

    As the National Park Service Ranger at Gettysburg told our tour...keep in mind that there is not one soldier buried here who was killed with smokeless gun powder. Black Powder guns will kill people today just as effectively as they did 150 years ago.
     
    Last edited: Jan 6, 2012