Various 9mm

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by pumpkinball, Jul 30, 2010.

  1. pumpkinball

    pumpkinball New Member

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    I got on the topic of 9mm with my boss today. He was asking what all different 9mm there were, in terms of 9x18, 9x19, 9mm luger, 9mm short, etc. Well I answered him as well as I could with some doubts of my own. I know the most common is the 9mm luger which is 9x19. That's easy. I know they make a 9mm short and I think that it is the 9x18. However, he thinks the 380acp is the same as the 9x18 or 9mm short. I feel like they wouldn't call them something different if they were the same. I believe th380 might be something like a 9x17(possibly). I also have heard of a 9mm parrabellum. I'm comfortable saying that it is 9x20. So what I'm asking is what are all the 9mm offered, and how are they comparable with each other? Also does the 380 even fit in the 9mm family? Am I crazy for asking these questions or is there really alot of confusion with this stuff? Oh, and I did see, on youtube, a guy shooting 9mm luger in a Makarov 9x18. I know that ain't smart, especially seeing as the breech doesn't even close. But the Makarov that I looked at was a 380. It was the same that this guy had, so that raises the whole 380 vs. 9mm thing again. Thanks for taking the time to help out an ameture gun enthusiast that just wants to learn.


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  2. General_lee

    General_lee New Member

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    9x19 is 9mm Luger AND (as far as I know) Parabellum.
    9x18 is 9mm Makarov
    9x17 is .380 (in Europe it's known as 9mm Kurz)
    9x20.3 is 9mm Browning long.

    That is as far as I know, If I made any mistakes I'm sure someone will correct me.
     

  3. Flint Rock

    Flint Rock New Member

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    .380 ACP, 9mm Kurz, 9x17mm, 9mm Corto, 380 Short, 9mm Browning = all the same thing, just different names
     
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  4. Flint Rock

    Flint Rock New Member

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    9mm, 9x19mm, 9mm Luger, 9x19 Parabellum = all the same thing, just different names
     
  5. Flint Rock

    Flint Rock New Member

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    9x18mm Makarov, 9x18mm PM = all the same thing, just different names
     
  6. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    As a reminder, do not shoot ammo in your gun that it was not designed for.
    A 9X18 will fit and chamber in a 9X19, but pressures are not the same.
    And that goes for trying a 9X17 in a 9X19, don't do it.
     
  7. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    In addition to the rounds listed, there was a 9mm Ultra, a 9mm Magnum, 9mm Glisenti, 9mm Bowning Long, 9mm Bergman, 9mm Roth-Steyr, 9mm Largo, a (very rare) 9.8mm ACP, and the .38 Auto and .38 Super (9mms). And most of those do not interchange with anything. But they DO keep cartridge collectors quite happy and busy. :p
     
  8. pumpkinball

    pumpkinball New Member

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    WOW who knew there would be so many. I'll have to write all this down to be able to remember it. Keep it up guys. I'm loving it. Thanks.
     
  9. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    Someone once told me that you could shoot a .380 out of a 9mm pistol. That does not seem safe to me. I reload both. And they use different shell holders. Also these type of cartidges headspace off the mouth of the case. So using a shorter case than is supposed to be seems like a great opportunity to at the very least start breaking parts. Using too long a case would probable keep the gun from going into battery. If it did fire, I wouldn't want to be anywere around.
     
  10. M14sRock

    M14sRock New Member

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    Add 9mm NATO to that list, too.
     
  11. lukeisme

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    Several years ago I was out at the range with a buddy of mine while we were BSing he loaded a magazine full of 380 in my highpoint 9mm while he was firing the mag I noticed it didnt seem right and stopped him. So yes they will fire but they dont sound right and the bullets "fall" after about 25 feet. Either way not a good idea!!!
     
  12. freefall

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    What, no love for the 9x 21?
     
  13. pumpkinball

    pumpkinball New Member

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    9 x 21 ? Tell me more, please.
     
  14. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    9x21 and 9x23 are a couple of specialty rounds used in competitions. They allow the 9mm bullet to be loaded to make "major" calibers when power factors are involved. Not your "seen everyday" type of rounds.
     
  15. robocop10mm

    robocop10mm Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Are we forgetting the 9 X 25 Dillon? 115gr bullets at around 1700 fps. 10mm necked down to 9mm.
     
  16. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    My "Old-Timer's" kicked in. Otherwise, I would have gotten there. ;)
     
  17. superc

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    For more shooting fun, don't forget 9mm Wildley, 9mm Winchester Magnum, and of course for us grey beards, 9mm Mauser..
     

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  18. pumpkinball

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    Hey folks, I got bored and decided to go back and do a little research on a thread that I started a few months back. I was asking what all the different 9mm rounds there were. Little did I know that I had only scratched the surface until I got so many responses from ya'll. Thanks for all your input. And now this is what I found.

    This is my update straight out of the books (not neccessarily in order):

    9.1mm (Abadie)
    9x18mm Makarov
    9x18mm Police (9mm Ultra)
    9mm Browning Long (9x20mm Browning SR)
    9mm Glisenti
    9x19mm Parabellum (9mm Luger, 9x19mm NATO)
    9mm Federal
    9x21mm IMI
    9x21mm Gyurza (9x21mm SP-10)
    9mm Action Express (9mm AE)
    9x23mm Steyr
    9mm Largo (9mm Bergmann-Bayard, 9x23mm Largo)
    9mm Super Cooper (9x22mm Super Cooper)
    9x23mm Winchester
    9mm Mars
    9x25mm Mauser (Export caliber for C96)
    9mm Winchester Magnum
    9x25mm Dillon
    9x25mm Super Auto G
    9x30mm Magnum (9mm Dillon Magnum)
    .380 ACP (9x17mm Browning Short)
    9.8mm Auto Colt
     
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