Vandalism on our home, I could use your help

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by indyfan, Sep 13, 2011.

  1. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    Over the past month our home has been vandalized numerous times. It started with ding dong ditch, then rocks getting thrown at our door, then numerous eggings on our home and cars. We've gotten egged about 8 times now in the past few weeks and now tonight they decided to pour a gallon of rotten milk all over our porch. They also wrote "U SUCK" on our sidewalk.

    We live in a bad neighborhood, the ghetto if you will, with some shady individuals in the surrounding homes. It's gotten so bad that we've decided to move and rent elsewhere.

    Anyway, my question is, if I was to catch these vandalizers, what could I do to them legally? I wanted to camp out with a paintball gun but was told that paintballing someone is considered assault, is this true?

    I know revenge isn't the best answer, but I'm pretty sure calling the police won't do much considering we have no strong leads on who is doing this. Before we move I'm gonna find out who's doing this and at least scare the crap out of them or something.

    What do you guys suggest?
     
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  2. shadamai

    shadamai New Member

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    If your sprinkler system should just so happen to cut on whenever someone trespasses on your property, the punks might look for an easier target somewhere else.
     

  3. GlockStar

    GlockStar New Member

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    Turn the other cheek boss. Is something that can be fixed by a water hose worth jail time? Never mind the possibility of escalation. These young bulls get crazier every year.

    Realisticly though, a camera could help.

    Edit: motion sensor sprinklers at night is great!
     
  4. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    If you post "No Trespassing" signs, you will only escalate the problem.

    Cameras, motion detectors, and dogs. Also ask for increased patrols.
     
  5. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    Motion detector triggered camera(s) might prove useful.

    It sounds like it’s a reoccurring situation. Does it happen weekly? Every few months? Have you ‘documented’ the vandalism with photos and a daily newspaper?

    Does it happen at night? Are cars parked on the street? Could you spend some time at night in your car with a camera, no flash, Bring a pen to write down plate numbers in case you can't get it on the pictures. Deliver pix & plate number to the police.

    Basic investigation & surveillance practices.

    Failing that, if you can identify who and know where they live, leaving a still photo of the horsehead scene from ‘The Godfather’ at their door might prove a deterrent. Maybe not.
     
  6. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    If you get any ideas of retaliation, however mild, (unless of course it's a legit act of self-defense), try to cool down. Problem is, the angy citizen usually ends up in jail and the POS never gets caught or ends up suing.

    Seems like the perps in your case are young...older ones wouldn't have to use their mom's eggs for ammo. Years ago I had vandals pour paint remover all over my car. Be glad it hasn't come to that.
     
  7. bkt

    bkt New Member

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    About all you can do is record a video of them vandalizing your property then turn it over to the cops. That probably won't do much except escalate the issue. Your best bet is to move. Any action you take against them, however reasonable it might seem, would probably get you charged with a crime.
     
  8. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I agree with motion cameras. The police won't watch your house more closely? I know in my town the police would be all over this.
     
  9. texaswoodworker

    texaswoodworker New Member

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    Use some cameras to both get evidence and find out what time they keep coming. If you want revenge, get some 12 ga bean bag ammo, hide in the bushes, and get them in the gut (chest/head is dangerous) after a few minutes of rolling around on the ground trying to catch they're breath, They'll probably run for it. And they'll have a nice large bruise the next day. (I am not sure how legal this is but it would be really funny to watch) Or you could probaly just walk out your front door and point a 12 ga at them. That would either scare them off or depending on how bad they are, they may come back with guns. (they just sound like neighborhood punks, not gang members) That would give you plenty of reason to decrease your neighborhood population.

    Maybe the best solution would be to move to a nicer neighborhood. Did anything happen to make them pick your house to vandalize (even something stupid like telling them to knock something off) or was it randomly picked?
     
  10. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    It sounds like kids. I wouldn't try the revenge thing. Get some video of them & ask their parents/guardians if they like lawsuits or if they would prefer to make the kids clean everything up and keep a better eye on them. Remind them of the low burden of proof in civil court and that a judgement can become a garnishment pretty easily. If they don't work, ask how much of an income tax return they will be giving you next year.

    For you, moving will solve this problem, but it will just make things worse for the neighborhood and the juvenile delinquents in the longer run. If the neighborhood is already beyond hope, then bail.

    I would be curious as to what got this started.
     
  11. c3shooter

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    762 is correct. As the Sheriff said in Smoky and the Bandit- "You can think it, but don't do it."

    Use a trail cam. Get proof. Give COPY to parents- do you want me to prosecute, AND sue you in small claims, or have your darlings come clean up? Otherwise, hand it over to LEO, prosecute for damage to your property.

    12 g beanbags- satisfying, but ill advised. ("I saw him point a shotgun at 3 of the neighbor's kids, so I shot him with my Jennings")
     
  12. PanBaccha

    PanBaccha New Member

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    I think moving would be the best bet if you don't
    own a home and are just renting the place. It appears
    your address is the main target at the moment, and it
    might even escalate to a point where violence will ensue
    due to just not taking it anymore. Wish you luck!
     
  13. hydrashok

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    *** DON'T DO THIS!!!! ***

    Bean bag rounds are considered LESS LETHAL not non lethal. Bean bag rounds still have the potential to KILL! In fact, they HAVE killed.

    If you use bean bag rounds in a shotgun (the only way you CAN use them) it is still considered "use of deadly force." The only time you should use deadly force is when you're JUSTIFIED in using deadly force and you have no other alternatives.

    Each time your home or property is vandalized, call the police and file a report. I know it seems like it goes nowhere, but when the kids get caught (and they usually get caught) after a pattern is shown, it will enhance the charge by dollar amount. In other words, if the cop drives by and catches them egging your car once, the charge is smaller if that's the ONLY thing they get 'em for... but if the dept. has a stack of a reports from the same location when the kids are caught, they can tally up the damage value and it's worse on the kids.

    You have to ask yourself if revenge is sweeter than justice? Is it worth becoming a felon and losing some of your rights such as firearms ownership?

    Get a dog and a camera.
     
  14. 7point62

    7point62 Lifetime Supporting Member Lifetime Supporter

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    Yeah, me too.

    I did some stuff like this with my buddies when we were 12 or 13...ring & run, toilet paper the yard, toss a few eggs...not a lot of outright vandalism, but we were bored and looking for a thrill. We tended to target the houses of grownups who had been mean to us in the past.

    Kids have a pretty straight forward revenge ethic.
     
  15. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    You rent, you are going to move, so move ASAP. Any attempt to retaliate, prosecute or any such actions you are contemplating will cause you grief, not them.

    If you live in the 'hood, cops, jail, prison, etc. are just an accepted part of life there. In fact, arrests and prison are just rites of passage.

    I used to work in the 'hood. I worked up close and personal with folks like your neighbors. I did so for years, so I know what I'm talking about. GTFO now!
     
  16. utf59

    utf59 New Member

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    Is this happening to anyone else in your area?
     
  17. indyfan

    indyfan New Member

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    Some lady who lives a couple houses down got an egg on her car. She got pissed and ran out into the street yelling. Other than that I haven't heard about any other incidents to anyone else.

    We have suspected that the kid who lives across the street with his grandfather is involved, which lead us to believe that he is doing it for his family so they can rent our home once he drives us out....

    Paranoia setting in...

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  18. ktmboyz

    ktmboyz New Member

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    Do you have motion lights? If not get some of the really bright flood lights,, and also a trial camera is a great option.
     
  19. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I agree with Hydrashock. I would not use any retaliation using weapons for this sort of vandalism. I was taught the guns come out only when you feel threatened with you physical well being or that of your loved ones. Not just property damage.
     
  20. gregs887

    gregs887 New Member

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    Get a combination of some motion lights and timed lights. It will keep them guessing as to when you are home. The thought of having someone walk in on them in the act may be enough to get them to bother someone else. Good luck and let us know what you do and how it turns out.