Urban Survival

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by CA357, Aug 19, 2011.

  1. CA357

    CA357 New Member Supporter

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    While some may have a remote location if SHTF, many do not and for various reasons will be in an urban or suburban area if SHTF.

    Use this thread to post theories, suggestions and questions about urban survival ideas.
     
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  2. dunerunner

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    I expect the urban areas to become combat zones. Those who are unprepared will roam the streets looking for anything to eat, shelter, weapons; it will be like Charlton Heston in "The Omega Man"!

    To survive, you will have to have more than just plenty of guns and ammo. You will have to have a defense system. Razor wire, Spot lights, generator and plenty of fuel, water source (Preferabley a well), water purification, food storage of adequate size such that the starving hoards move into the rural areas, leaving you alone.

    You are probably looking at at least a one year wait for starvation to kindle the desire in those who linger in the urban areas to move out to the burbs and rural areas. You will always have to be on guard and have multiple watch standers. Your complement of personnel will have to be at least twelve to protect your assets. Rotating shifts to watch each point of access 24 hours/day, people to man the gererators throughout the night, personnel assigned to cook, clean, reload, etc.

    It won't be a fun time and few will survive it.
     

  3. usmcprofessional

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    man unless you have that many family members living with you, you wont have that many friends. keep in mind us city folk have a much MUCH different look on life than country folk. there wont be baning together or getting along. i vision the stages would be denial, unrest, mass chaos/exodus, piliaging/foraging/then survival.

    as for putting up razor wire and spotlights...im pretty sure theres zoning laws against that.
     
  4. CHLChris

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    I'm sure he didn't mean setting up San Quentin now, but rather being prepared. I'm sure if you have the materials, you'd have the time to set up such a perimeter. It's not like you'd have to go to work.

    There also would no longer be zoning laws.
     
  5. ArizonaLawman

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    I tend to agree for the most part. You WILL see the most predation and depravity in the cities first. I can guarantee there will be wholesale panic, slaughter, and criminality of the first order.

    I am fairly certain you will have huge body counts when the "street tough" scumbags literally wipeout the cotton-candy and lollipop hip cool cats who have NO clue that violence exists in the world, and who will assume that the police, who are to them, nothing more than a nuisance when they have to deal with them over a traffic matter, will be right there to protect them. Scratch the cool kids.

    Moving on to some of the tighter knit neighborhoods with long standing family ties and friendships. They might last a little longer, but it won't be long until those neighborhood ties fracture and break totally once the water isn't running and neighbor A has better resources than neighbor B, and resentments grow when neighbor B has to finally say "No, I can't spare anymore". Neighbor A will rally some of the others and take by force what neighbor B has wisely rationed, but not been realist enough to have more than a pistol and fifty rounds of ammo with which to defend it.

    Then forays into more suburban areas whill start. Say for example...Phoenix people will start moving into Tempe, and Scottsdale. Mesa will also be a bucket of crap EXCEPT for the mormon neighborhoods. The mormons will be prepared and able to defend what they have. So pockets of relative security will exist. For the most part...it will be ugly.

    After a while...the smaller much more rural towns will be probed. A LOT of those probing will die, and those who escape will bring back tales of crazy rednecks...etc...

    The city will be NO place to be unless you have a LOT of money now, and a LOT of security as dunerunner has already mentioned.

    So, how does one prepare?

    Look like a non-target. Make your place look as though it has already been thoroughly ransacked. Trash in your yard. Old clothing spread about. Heck, even a derelict car stripped in your driveway as camoflage for the car you have that runs. If you have a genny...run it sparingly. Food had better be WELL hidden in small caches, so that if some is found, ti will only be a small portion of what you have stored. Possibly a shed or out building with a false floor, or a closet with a false back. Maybe even a hot water heater that has been "cored" so that it is hollow and filled with food stuffs.

    Hide things in unlikely containers and unlikely places. If the poswer is out...what good is a television? Not much...you can store a lot in the cabinet of a TV.

    I am just getting started....any other ideas?
     
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  6. usmcprofessional

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    hah, i know. but i figured doing all that would be an attention getter. and you as little of that as much as possible.

    i use to be a hoodlum myself i grew up in inner city cleveland ohio. like detroit lite. my vision of "urban" is the neighborhoods i ran through growing up. houses so close if they had surround sound you could tell what movie they were watching. there were no yards to speek of, and everything is paved. so when it comes to SHTF the best defense i can think of is what would 18yo me do? personally a house with people looking like there is life still in it im going to get in there some way or another.

    with no law whatsoever i could most definatly see people immideatly starting to go through houses and raid what they want very quickly once people actually relize SHTF. and it would only be you to defend since everyone else is too worried about themselves to help your sorry ass. maybe if you lived in a dawsons creek leave it to beaver neighborhood you would have some help. but all the populated areas ive lived in its been "hey neighbor! leave me the hell alone and ill pretend you dont exist."
     
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  7. ArizonaLawman

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    Gives you a lot to think about doesn't it?
     
  8. orangello

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    I miss the Memphis food, but if SHTF, i would much rather be here in BFE Mississippi.
     
  9. Dennis845

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    I'll move back to Illinois. As we all know, it is a felony for a private citizen to walk around with a gun. I'll feel all comfy and warm knowing I'm safe because I'm protected by anti-second amendment zealots.

    Well, maybe a bad idea! Here in the country we're pretty much self sufficient and will know the urbanites are coming. Having adequate property, no one will hear my generator running unless they drive up my gated road. Then they would have to contend with the booby traps, dogs and sniper fire.

    I'm as compassionate as the next person, however, when you start sharing what you have stored and prepared for with anyone, you risk having it taken by force. So, it's best not to let anyone other than your family know what you have and where. Someone here mentioned storing food / water / survival items in lots. That's an excellent idea I'll do when it becomes apparent things will get out of control.

    I would think during a SHTF event, auto fuel would become scarce and it would become difficult to reach allot of the country settings. That, and hopefully the zombies will be getting thinned out the further they get to me. When and if they reach me, it's zombiecide time.

    Believe it or not, they're many man made and natural events that could trigger such a scenario, to many to even list. Imagine a hurricane Katrina aftermath on a national / world scale. Chances are almost certain you will eventually succumb to wide spread chaos and anarchy, but you're not going to lay down and give up.

    I would also suspect martial law would be in effect. That may keep a portion of the urbanites confined to the concrete jungles. When the President makes an appearance on TV and calls for calm, and everything is fine, and we're doing everything we can do. It's already to late and you had best be at a relatives in the country.
     
  10. c3shooter

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    Plywood and lumber to reinforce doors and windows. Water and food for you. What do you have for fire suppresion/extinguishing?- fire is going to be a BIG problem in metro areas- deliberate, careless or stupid, a fire will still push you out.
     
  11. hiwall

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    I would think water in the urban areas would be the big thing. If you just use it for drinking then you could store-up some if you had the room. Washing and flushing take alot of water. A lot of urban areas have a lake or river(thats why they were originally started there) but accessing that water would put you at a high risk. Predators often hunt near water sources(I know I do). I would think the predators in this case would follow you to your den. That could be a very bad thing. c3shooter is right fire is a very real threat also.
     
  12. ArizonaLawman

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    Within pretty short order water in an urban setting WILL be a problem. One can assume that the political machine will have water sources locked down tight as a drum (for their own use and comfort).

    A bathtub full of water will last only a few days..MAYBE a week if it is used ONLY for drinking. A water heater, drained quickly can contain as much as 50 gallons of water IF it isn't old a half full of sediment. Containers will be precious. If you can quickly and safely raid water heaters...you will extend your chances. Remember MOST city dwellers don't have general "practical" knowledge of how a lot of things work. To them, being handy means knowing how to text their apartment manager for a repair or maintenance man.

    I am lucky to have a pretty new well on my property with an old fashioned hand pump. The hand pump taps into a line in my basement by my wash tub by the washer and dryer. All I have to do is turn on two cut off valves, prime it and BINGO...fresh water. But alas, I live out yonder. In a few years...we will be living further out yonder.
     
  13. CA357

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    We now live in a town of 2,300. I really don't know anybody here yet other than a few neighbors and shopkeepers. So at this point, mum's the word about any preps at all.

    I hope I'll be able to find some like minded people before SHTF, but I am being circumspect in the meantime and keeping quiet.

    We live in a wood framed and wood sided house built in 1901 and fire is a major concern for me as well as lack of bullet resistant walls.
     
  14. dunerunner

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    Some cement board and sand bags placed around windows and areas you may want fortified would work well. You can build a safe room under your home with cinder block filled with sand or cement and it can be done on the cheap as you have time and money.
    You may even be able to scrounge the materials at no cost!

    If your place was built in 1901, CA; I'll bet there is a well head on the property somewhere. I'd look around. Perhaps an out building that is now a shed could have been a well house.
     
  15. usmcprofessional

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    my father who still lives in the mistake by the lake, catches and barrels rain water. little by little at a time. but rain in ohio isnt exactly a scarce occurance. plus he has 2 bathtubs and a whirlpool/half ass hottub in the basement.

    this is why i usually run into problems with others talking about SHTF. when i hear "what would you do when blah de blah de blah?" my usual response is "hunt people." i dont mean like drive my happy ass out to BFE and raid one of you guys. i mean ambushing a truckload of jackasses that are essentually raiding for me. they want to ransack houses and kill people for water and food, thats fine cause ill be taking note and following silently and when i think you have enough for me, well karmas a b*tch. i wont hurt another innocent human being for what they have prepaired for, but im not going to waste my ammo to save him in those days. i guess you could say im evil by proxy.
     
  16. dunerunner

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    Statisticaly speaking...

    Statisticaly speaking with all the sickness, infections, violence, and other such things that will get people killed, if SHTF on national level, completely destroying the countries electical grids, 7 in 8 people would be dead by the end of the month because they would have no idea about general health care out side of hospitals, how to aquire food aside from super markets, and where safe water can be found other than the refrigerator. Annnd the violence of trying to survive. Personally I think people along some form of natural water source will have a higher chance/numbers of surviving because the lack of water will kill the most people. Soo i guess what I am saying is, if you can make it a month or 2 then imo you should be... well almost fine.
     
  18. usmcprofessional

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    or it would weed out all the weak ones leaving the completely dangerous left to do whatever they want to "survivors"
     
  19. Lessdragon

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    Relativity

    Danger is relative, just because someone survives doesnt necissarily mean they have done bad things for bad reasons, they could have been preppers, you never know what to expect from anyone so evade and escape when ever possible is the best way to not die.
     
  20. ArizonaLawman

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    Agreed, which I have mentioned several times. Avoid fights when you can, don't risk your safety on ego or stupidity. Make the fight at a time of your choosing if you can.