upper?

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by stimis, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    So I was able to secure a Spikes stripped lower, and was thinking about using a Spikes upper. I have been trying to research their uppers on here and other sites. I have only come across one thread that said they tend to over gas. Anyone with experience to this?
     
  2. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I have one and its a bit over gassed , there is a reason for this it makes them more reliable with cheap under powered Russian ammo . You can help fix this with a heavier buffer. Dont get me wrong , Spikes makes good products but I wouldnt trade any of my PSAs for another Spikes . I might suggest you take a Look at a BCM if you can find one in stock or Palmetto and see if they have anything you like . Neither will be under gassed or over gassed
     

  3. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Really wanted to stick with a Spikes upper to go with the Spikes lower. Will over gassing cause wear or damage or anything else?
     
  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    Spikes will be ok if that's what you want. Look at their midlength, it should soften the action somewhat.

    Sadly, many manufactures don't bother with understanding gas port size but BCM does. PSA often uses FN barrels as does Spikes but they could have the gas port done differently. (I don't know that for a fact though.) You want the port big enough but not so big the AR is overgassed. It's more likely with carbon length gas, so think about middys.

    If you go 16" carbine gas think H2 buffer or that heavier Spikes powder filled buffer. T2? Personally I'd go H2 with standard solid weights. Maybe even H3 if way overgassed.
     
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  5. bluez

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  6. veskeshootr

    veskeshootr New Member

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    You will be fine. Your worrying about something that you should not be. Spikes makes great stuff and it will serve you well you do not need to be worries about being over gassed. If you that concerned with it you can put on a adjustable gas block and gas it down to the point where the gun will just barely cycle, this also reduces felt recoil. However if you change ammo you will need to readjust it.
    Overgassed means they drilled the gas port hole in the barrel larger than it needs to be. In my experience an this makes for a gun that will run just about any ammo reliably. I have actually opened up that hole for guys that had issues running wolf ammo. Once the hole is opened up they run like a top.
    Nothing is going to wear out prematurely on you because of this. The average Bolt is good for around 15,000 rounds and the average barrel is good for around 30,000. Your supposed to replace buffer springs at around 5,000 and gas rings too. I have had gas rings last 3,000 and other go as high as 7,000. My point is stuff wears out, ar's are a mechanical device and stuff has to be replaced....if your a shooter. Read the article by LuckyGunner labs about the differences in ammo. This should shed some light for ya.
     
  7. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    We had one AR go beyond 8000 rds on one set of gas rings and was still running fine . Keep it lubed well and parts last a lot longer
     
  8. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Thanks for the input. Guess I will stick with a spikes upper
     
  9. veskeshootr

    veskeshootr New Member

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    You will find that a lot of people have a lot of "opinions". In my experience that's all they are, opinions. Most have read this or that on the internetz and that's the gospel. Any of your top mfg's will make a gun that the average man will never wear out... The average person shoots 500 rounds or less thru their AR. Hell, I think a Hesse will run for 500 rounds. Lol. Bushmasters are notoriously overgassed and I can tell you of a few of them that went over 15,000 rounds before any major problems. One of them was mine. True it was a 20" and they are softer but non the less a Bushmaster. Lugs cracked off my bolt somewhere between 15k and 15,500. There were OK when I got to the range and not OK when she jammed up on me.

    Oh to be able to buy the old south African battle packs again...
     
  10. AgentTikki

    AgentTikki New Member

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    Overgassed systems, will allow you to run underpowered ammo, like Wolf Tula etc.

    Undergassed systems don't run at all.


    Between the two, overgassed is better, but, it will beat up your gas rings and bolt and springs a bit more.

    But at the end of the day, I'd prefer a little overgassing to a little under......
     
  11. Quentin

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    You're new here so don't know but you can take it to the bank that when purehavoc says something like his Spikes is slightly overgassed, his opinion likely is based on lots of rounds downrange.

    I didn't see any wild claims here as you implied.
     
  12. stimis

    stimis New Member

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    Thanks for the input. Being that this is my first build and since I already have a spikes lower, I think I want to build all spikes. The other upper I think I may want is a BCM.
     
  13. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    The spikes will be a fine upper . I prefer a over gassed rifle that I can tune down if needed . It makes them reliable with all ammo out there . Quentin's right , I have sent a lot of lead down range and never a issue with the spikes upper . I just wish I could find the time to put more lead down range this season . Its been a flop this season with working weekends . I expect to start getting some range time soon and lots of it ;)
     
  14. MrPEZO

    MrPEZO New Member

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    I have a Spike's rifle (carbine) and it shoots all ammo just fine all day long. You will be happy with their products.
     
  15. sweeper22

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    Consider me a fan of Spike's products when it comes to quality:cost ratio. They offer good stuff at a fair price.

    But I'm a slightly bigger fan of BCM, PSA, and Daniel Defense. Just personal preference. If I'm building your gun...I think Spike's is a perfectly reasonable option, but I would tend to lean in the direction of a BCM, PSA, or (on the rare occasion you can land one) an AIM Surplus upper with DD barrel/bcg/handguard. The AIM/DD uppers are some of the best deals out there, which is why they're almost impossible to come by of late.

    At this moment my advice to anyone composing a build is simple: Do your homework and take your time. There are good deals today. And there will be tomorrow, and eleven weeks from now as well. Figure out what you really want, and have the patience and persistance to get it at a fair price. With a little research and patience, I believe you can have exactly what you want at a very fair price.
     
  16. veskeshootr

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    Quentin,
    I was not referring to purehavoc at all, none what so ever. The op asked a question and I was trying to help out.
    Now for the next part of your statement.
    Are you considering 15K rounds as a "wild claim"?

    Your right, I am new....to this forum. So that immediately means that I have no clue what I am talking about . So I guess from now on I will just read thru and not help anyone else out.

    It blows my mind when people immediately discredit you because of your post count.
     
  17. purehavoc

    purehavoc New Member

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    I dont get all bent out of shape on much , Im a pretty easy going person :D thats just me . I run my fair share of ammo every year with a total round count of some where between 12000-16000 rds , and I know there are people out there that run 10X of that . It doesnt take long to run alot of ammo thru a AR so I dont see any wild claims out there , hell I ran over 8000 rds thru one particular AR last year doing some testing on it and it never failed and had never been cleaned since the initial outing . 15,000 rds is not a wild claim in my book but there are people that may never run that much ammo in their entire life time . Oh by the way WELCOME to the forum :D
     
  18. SSGN_Doc

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    Quentin is pretty low key and regular around here. I don't think he was trying to discredit you by your low post count. I think he just interpreted your post as being directed at purhavoc. In which case, you may not be familiar with his previous posts and the type of info he shares.

    Genereally the folks on this forum are pretty easy on each other and new folks. I just see that theer is some misinterpretation going on here that was never meant to be personal or an attack. All seems to just be intended as clarification.

    Welcome aboard. It's nice to get a good amount of good info from a wide variety of shooting backgrounds. we have folks who fit the "Fudd" category who are one box of ammo a year types who sight in before hunting season. we also have serious enthusiasts, competitors, gunsmiths, artisans, gun dealers, military folks, and mall ninjas. All fit into the spectrum, and all have something to contribute or take away from the forum based on the multiple roles that firearms are used in.
     
  19. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

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    You didn't understand my post and have twisted the meaning. I try to be clear and suggest you be so as well.
     
  20. veskeshootr

    veskeshootr New Member

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    Quentin,
    NO worries..one of the issues with a keyboard is that there is no emotion in the txt so sometimes it's hard to understand where a person is coming from.

    Purehavoc and Doc.
    Thanks for helping out in this, I appreciate it.


    Looks like the opp got the help he was looking for so we did do some good.