Upper Receiver for AR-15, .458 caliber

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Fates_Enemy, Oct 28, 2011.

  1. Fates_Enemy

    Fates_Enemy New Member

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    I just recently (as in just a few min ago lol) heard about a round called, .458 SOCOM, which is shot through a specially designed Receiver that will fit practically any AR-15 Lower. I did some reading on it from wikipedia - .458 SOCOM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - which had a good amount of info about it. But I was wondering if anyone here has had any experiences with it, and what they think of it. And also, if civilians are able to purchase it as well as the upper receivers that are chambered for it ?
     
  2. Jpyle

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    To answer your second question...yes, several members here have .458 SOCOM chambered AR 15s. From what I have gathered, however, unless you roll your own the round is too expensive for recreational shooting, but it makes a kickazz hog killer. Here's a comparison photo for reference...

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  3. Sniper03

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    The 458 SOCOM is a fantastic close range round. 200 and under and will flat "down a hog in a NY Second". HAs about the same ballistics at 100 yards as the 45-70. I was with Dick Metcalf on a hunt when he shot a hog in the third season of Peterson's Hunting on the Outdoor Channel. He was using a 340 gr round and the Hog was dead on the ground by the time Dick blinked his eyes from the recoil of the rifle. He was using a Rock River 458 SOCOM in a 16: barrel. The good thing about the 458 SOCOM is it uses a standard AR-15 Magazine. And yes, Jpyle advised anyone can purchase one like any other normal AR Upper. Dies are available for it and are easily reloaded. There are several companies producing the rounds now. However I would not recommend one for just plinking due to cost at the present. But if you want something special and with the idea of possibly doing some hunting with it, it is the ticket! I know for example Indiana has accepted it for deer hunting due to it's case configuration. That should make them happy with their state primarily shotgun, pistol, muzzle loader and bow only! No Rifles! Now they have an excellent rifle cartridge to shoot deer and pigs with. From what I have seen, it would make an excellent black bear gun also.

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  4. Fates_Enemy

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    Right on, thanks for the info. I am not a big hunter, never gone, tho I would like to try it. You were right about those rounds being friggin expensive tho. I just checked online for them, and you're lookin at about 399$ for 200 FMJ 350g Rounds and about $1955 for a thousand of them. That some friggin expensive shooting right there lol I do definitely want to try and shoot one of these rifles tho for sure. Guess I am gonna have to find a GunShop/Range around here that has one I can shoot. Cause I don't have the money to spend on those rounds lol
     
  5. canebrake

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  6. Fates_Enemy

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    DUDE ! That is a sexy friggin gun ! I dig everything about it, but I really love that Stock. What kind is that, I've seen them before, I kno they are common, but I've never seen one for sale at the local gunshops I go to so I wanna try to find one online.

    What kind of Barrel are you using ? and what Brand is the Lower ? and obviously you bought the upper separately, what brand is it ? Is it the Rock River Arms ?

    Man I really really want that gun lol


    And yes, your are definitely right, it is indeed only money, but I am only 25, and a College Student(I am going to school for Audio Engineering and Music Theory, as well as some other music classes, and some Game Design on the side just for fun, but Audio Engineering and Music Theory are the two areas I am getting degrees in) who just had to move back in with his parents in order to save money, and also, I am a struggling Musician (I am a guitarist of 12yrs, played Alto and Tenor Saxophone before that, as well as Jazz Trumpet, I've been a musician since 2nd grade when I started out in Choir), so the only Money I get is from the two part-time jobs I have, and the lil bit of money my band and I make playing shows around Seattle and other various places, and off the band merch we sell (T-shirts, Stickers, etc etc and our 5 song EP which we sell for 7$. Our T-shirts are the most expensive thing we sell and they are only 10$, 13$ and 15$, depending on what design) and when I am not working or going to school 4 nights a week, then I am either @ band practice or Playing shows. And then whatever time I get in between all that and sleep, I go to either the range or out to my buddies parents place, which they live way out in the sticks, and have about 15acres of property which is mostly woods with a big open field, which is actually my favorite place to shoot. Last weekend we had a huge Halloween party, and during the day before everyone started drinking/partying, we had a few people come over with their guns, and we set up a Zombie Gun Run. We had some custom made, life-size zombie targets set up in random places, and some of them would pop up & down, or move from left to right and varying speeds, to make it more difficult. It was hella fun. And we actually made about 300$ off it, charging people 5$ to come and do the run. SO anyways, my point being, even tho your right, and it is only money, as a College Student/Musician, I have very little money to spend on such expensive ammo that I would only use for target shooting. Like I said, for a box of 200 Rounds of the 350g FMJ SBR rounds, it's 400$, which is so ****ing expensive !
     
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  7. theboarbuster

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    I have had my 458 Socom since Obama got emacultated. I have killed over 200 hogs with it. I do not think there is a better close range hog sledge hammer made. I like the 300 Barnes TTSX and the Remington 405 gr. JSP. You can shoot a hog at just about any angle and take him out. I have an RRA upper and it shoots great.
    If your looking for a gun that will kill large beast then this is it. If your looking for a gun that people will ask what the hell are you shooting, then this is it, but if your looking for a gun to punch paper at a range this aint it. Get your selph a good 5.56 and a couple thousand rds and go have fun or maybe a 6.8. The ammo for the 6.8 can be found for $15.00+. The SSA 85gr Barnes TSX bullet leaves my 16" barrel at 3000 fps and it will take a hog out.
    Here is a couple pics of my Socom and a satisfied customer.
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  8. dunerunner

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    That is a beast!! Nice rifle, too!!


    How did it taste?
     
  9. theboarbuster

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    I dont know you would have to ask the yotes and buzzards. It must have been good they were all gone in a day.
    I only eat the ones that weigh less than a 100 lbs.
     
  10. JonM

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    here is my socom:

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  11. canebrake

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    The stock is an Ace Ltd. Fixed Skeleton Stock.

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    The lower is a Mega Machine billet.

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    The upper is a RRA .458 SOCOM A4 Upper Half

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  12. Gloves

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    Just do it! You'll love the gun. And if you find the rounds are getting to expensive you can always put a 5.56 atop your receiver.

    I'm looking into pig hunting, i've got my sites zeroed on my 2nd scope. the first one didn't survive the kick (see my link below).

    When buying ammo, go with SBR. I had problems with the Cor*Bon stuff.

    I did have a lot of problems that turned out to mostly be the ammo.
    http://www.glovesandclover.com/ar15/458socom/

    Can't wait to see pictures of your setup when you get it.
     
  13. Nathantc

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    What's the bullet drop like at 200 yards, when zeroed at 100 yards, it looks interesting, but why not just use 7.62x39. that will kill a pig with no issue out to 200 yards with no trouble at all, and its far cheaper to shoot. Throwing the biggest piece of led possible isn't always the best idea when u can't get enough of a charge behind it to make it worth while. I know that .458 is a good round for what it is. I just don't understand the appeal when it doesn't do much more than round that are available every where and for less money.

    On a side note, I have taken many deer and pigs with both .223 and 7.62x39

    To me its seems like trying to reinvent the wheel is all IM trying to say
     
  14. theboarbuster

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    The 458 Socom was designed by Marty ter Weeme. His companys name is http://www.teppojutsu.com/458.com There is a lot of good info about the Socom round on his web site. It was designed for special forces. It became a hunting rd because it is very functional. You basicly have a 45/70 in an AR package with bullets ranging from 100 grs to 600grs. There are other guns in its class 450 BM and the 50 BW but they dont have the range of bullets that are avaliable for the 458 Socom. Now we have Barnes making a bullet designed for the Socom the 300TTSX. This bullet opens perfectly every time. The one in this pic took out a 300 lb hog traveling 17" through bone and both sheilds stopping just under the hide.
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  15. Nathantc

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    damn it, what kind of accurat range does it have though
     
  16. theboarbuster

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    It a 200 yard gun. Its just like a 45/70. If you sight the 405 gr rem jsp at 100 yards it will be 11" low at 200. The 300 TTSX shoots flatter.2" high at 100 4" low at 200.
     
  17. Gloves

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    This might not be exactly accurate. but this is what I figured for my 405 grain @ 100 yard zero:

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  18. Nathantc

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    yeah, im just going to stick with my 7.62x39 build plan
     
  19. Fates_Enemy

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    What's the Velocity/FPS and general Ballistic difference betweem 7.62x39 and 7.62x59 ? The only difference I am aware of is one is NATO (the x59) and the other is Russian (the x39).

    Oh and just outta curiosity, this is sorta off topic, being about a different caliber and all, but besides the StG-44 (Assuming you all kno what gun that is, which I am sure you do) are there any other civilian legal Rifle/Machine-Pistols that shoot the 8x33mm Kurz (a.k.a. 7.9mmK, or 8x33 Polte) ? I would love to get an actual StG-44 (Sturmgewehr 44) but the few that I have found for sale, are up in the $15,000 and up, range!!! Which, needless to say, as a struggling musician, I cannot even imagine affording one anytime soon lol Same thing with a Thompson Sub-Machine gun .45ACP, which the only two that I have found are like $20,000. But I figured that there had to be more then just one gun that fired the 8x33mm Kurz round, and I am a huge history buff, mostly Roman/Greek era, classical History and Mythology, Egyptology, etc etc, but I am also a huge Military History buff, and I love WWII stuff, and wanted to add some WWII rifles to my slowly growing collections (last time I posted, I only had 3 guns, but yesterday I just got my custom Painted, Storm-Trooper style (Black & White) Romanian AK-47, which I paid 900$ for, which most of that price was for the paint job (Which you wouldn't think a basic paint job like Black and White, storm-trooper theme, would be that expensive, but apparently any paint job on a gun is kinda pricey from what I've been told) and the optics rail and fore-grip, I had put on it. So that is officially the oldest gun I own. I used to own a Mosin-Nagant a few years back, but it got stolen (along with my Xbox360/PS3, 47" LED LCD, Laptop, iPod Touch, a few other expensive items) when my apartment got broken into, so now the AK is the oldest gun I own, but I would like to change that. And really am interested in the 8x33mm Kurz round, since its so historical, and the story behing how the Sturmgewehr 44 came to be is really cool. Hitler told them not to make it, that it was a waste of money cause his soliders already had everything they needed, and the Kar98k was actually his favorite gun, he loved it, he used it when he fought in WW I, and he thought it was the best gun in the world (which at the time, it definitely was one of the best) and that it was all his troops needed. And the german people considered the Kar98k to be a symbol of german, military superiority, so that was another reason he didn't want his troops using something. He was iffy about even allowing the MP-40 to be produced. So he orderd them not to make the Sturmgewehr 44, but one of his Officer (i kno the guys name, but I can't remember it off the top of my head) went behind his back and had it put into production, and then one day, when Hitler was visting the Russian front, doing his meet and greet with the troops, they put a new rifle into his hands, which was the Sturmgewehr 44, and he instantly feel in love with it, and ordered it into production, not knowing that it already was lol but unforunately for the Germans (Lucky for the Allies) it was too late, for it to make a difference in the war. But had it gotten into the hands of a significant amount of troops, a year or two prior, when they still were winning the war, it could have changed the outcome of the war for the worse (for the better for the germans). So yea, anyways, anyone kno of any rifles that shoot it the round ?

    EDIT - Just remembered that dudes name that went behind Hitlers back, it was Haenel. He was the Officer who did not comply with the order Hitler gave to not continue development and start production of the StG 44, and so Haenel resorted to subterfuge to be able to continue development. He then had the weapon renamed to hide its true identity. They classified it as a sub-machine gun instead of a Carbine,and named it the Maschinenpistole 43 (Machine Pistol, Model of 1943). And like I said, the reason why Hitler didn't want the weapon Developed/Produced, was because in Hitler's mind, based on his own combat experience in World War 1, a service rifle should fire a full-power cartridge so it could shoot accurately at long range (800 to 1,000 meters). The MP43 as it was called at that time, because they were hiding it from Hitler, fired a lower powered cartridge that was effective to about half that range. This however, inferred other advantages that made the weapon more suitable to the needs of modern mobile warfare, which was the doctrine of the German military. Once Hitler was convinced of this, then it was all good in the hood lol and he christened the weapon himself as the Sturmgewehr 44, literally translating to "Storm-Rifle" or "Assault-Rifle", hence, the first Assault Rifle was born, and the rest is history ! So that's another reason we have to thank the Germans, even tho the Nazi's were friggin *******, Facist, pigs, they were amazing Engineers, Weapon Designers, Military Tacticians, etc etc. Really, if it wasn't for Hitler insisting on Making all the final decisions, instead of letting his commanders make on the go decisions while in the field, they might of actually beat the Russians. But Hitler made his commanders check with him before doing anything, even if they were in the middle of a fire fight, the Field Marshals were not aloud to make any Tactical decisions without calling Hitler himself on the radio first. Unlike Our military, where our Commanders our given a general outline for their missions, and then they are aloud to make decisions on the go on how to best complete that mission. They don't have to call back home for every little thing. And so not only did Hitler make his commanders do this, but Hitler thought he knew better then even his most experienced, commanders, and by the time they were fighting the russians, Hitler had already started to lose his friggin mind, and so made some horrible, crazy, non-sense, decisions, and just led his troops to slaughter pretty much, hence why for the last couple years of the war, there were over 100 assassination attempts on his life, all of them being concocted by his own people lol
     
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  20. Fates_Enemy

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    WOW ! Sorry for going on and on like that. I just love Firearms and History, which is why I joined this forum obviously. So I hope I didn't annoy anyone too much. And hopefully Someone learned something from reading all of that lol

    But regardless, My main point was to ask if there are any other rifles besides the StG-44 that shot the 8x33mm Kurz round.