Upper Question

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by easterner123, May 21, 2011.

  1. easterner123

    easterner123 New Member

    348
    0
    0
    Just a quick question. In bulk, wolf ammo is .20 a shot (for the 500 round case). Everything else 5.56/.223 is around .35-/45 a shot. So, I figure I can save myself some money by shooting a 7.62x39 round, without going with a com bloc weapon.

    How much does a new 7.62x39mm upper for an AR15 cost? No bells and whistles on it (HBAR, MOLY, chrome lined, etc are not needed).

    Whats a good twist rate to look for in the barrel, if there is a desirable one?

    Will it go right onto a lower thats for 5.56x45mm/.223 Remington?

    If y'all include a link for future research, it'd be much appreciated.
     
  2. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    You can get .223 steel case for 20 cents a shot too. I use it all the time in my two ARs.

    You may have problems with corrosive AK ammo in an upper, could foul the gas tube, etc. And 7.62x39 doesn't feed well in the tight AR magwell.
     

  3. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

    4,026
    0
    0
    I owned an awesome x39 AR. It was purchased for the same reasons you are talking about. The thing is you can buy .223 russian ammo for the same/ sometimes cheaper than x39 ammo. Plus brass x39 is a lot more expensive than brass 5.56/.223. This comes into play when shooting at those ranges that dont allow bi-metal ammo.

    Larger aftermarket support base, etc. x39 is heavier and has much more recoil which in turn makes it harder to control. Long story short 5.56 is the best way to go.
     
  4. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    I've also thought about getting something to shoot 5.45x39 which used to be incredibly cheap. These days though I don't know if it matters since it's losing the price advantage over 5.56.
     
  5. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    Weird what's going on with timestamps on the board right now. I posted this at about 7:40 PM Sunday!
     
  6. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

    4,026
    0
    0
    Ive had 3 AK style rifles and sold them all. Two Saigas and one Romanian. They were fun to plink w/. Eventually Ill purchase another, probably an Arsenal modded Saiga. Saigas are great rifles. I will say the Romanian was cool to have around.

    The Romanians all went up in price recently which sucks. It makes the Saigas even more attractive though.

    For me the verdict is still out on the 5.45x39. However, it sure looks good for the pocket book.

    The thing is if you're wanting an AR don't let the price of ammo stop you. You can get .223 for around the same price. If you want to send 7.62x39 down range get an AK variant.
     
  7. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

    7,715
    196
    63
    eaterner

    Nothing wrong with the 7.62X39. You will find that it is becoming more expensive as time goes on. It use to be dirt cheap. But at the shows and stores now it keeps going up. But I would have to agree with the guys in the previous posts. I would go with the 5.56/223 Upper. Brass is readily available and there is some good surplus 5.56 ammunition available through many sources. The only word of caution is this. I would never buy and shoot any of the steel case ammunition that has the lacquer on it. In fact manufacturers take a dim view if any weapons or uppers come back for any warranty work and some refuse to warranty the parts or weapons. Most of the steel case ammunition now has a polymer or other coating and are OK. But as previously stated, there is usually some good surplus 5.56/223 ammunition available at gun shows and some dealers. Russian, Israeli, Romanian and other countries have some decent stuff.

    03
     
  8. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

    4,026
    0
    0
    Although some manufacturers will void your warranty for using steel ammo there are some that wont. Id go w/ a warranty w/ the fewest restrictions and hoops.
     
  9. easterner123

    easterner123 New Member

    348
    0
    0
    Thanks for the replies. Online, I was able to get 500 rounds of Wolf for $97 (ammunitionstore.com, good prices). For HD I have some Remington UMCs (these are brass). It may be different in bulk, but the Tula ammo at my local walmart is $4.97 for a box of 20.

    So if not the 7.62x39mm upper, are there any uppers that you would recommend? Are .22lr uppers worth the money? Is 6.8 good?
     
  10. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

    4,026
    0
    0
  11. JonM

    JonM Moderator

    20,110
    19
    38
    your looking at 4000~ rounds before you recoup the cost of a 7.62x39 upper given the .15$ difference in steel vs brass. your limiting yourself to about 200yds max with the x39 cartridge. there are better rounds than the x39 if your intention is something more than plinking. cheaper to just get a sks/ak if you realllly wanna shoot that round.

    my opinion:

    the 7.62x39 is a pointless bullet there are much better rounds in it's power range. the soviets designed it to be compatable with the same powders and bullets as the 7.62x54r as it is merely a neutered version. its inherent flaws is why i think they have been switching over to a round very similar to the 5.56.
     
  12. Quentin

    Quentin New Member

    7,551
    1
    0
    If you really want to have a combloc 7.62x39 rifle then consider an AK or SKS, they sure are a lot of fun. Suppose you could try a Ruger Mini-30 too. I have the el cheapo WASR-10/63 and it's served me well for over 4 years even though the cost at the time was about $325. It's in no way an AR but still is a good rifle to have in your collection. Bought an SKS even before that because it was just over $100 and an M44 for about $79. Prices today are higher of course.

    We haven't covered the 5.45x39 either! :p
     
  13. mjkeat

    mjkeat New Member

    4,026
    0
    0
    Ive had 3 AK style rifles and sold them all. Two Saigas and one Romanian. They were fun to plink w/. Eventually Ill purchase another, probably an Arsenal modded Saiga. Saigas are great rifles. I will say the Romanian was cool to have around.

    The Romanians all went up in price recently which sucks. It makes the Saigas even more attractive though.

    For me the verdict is still out on the 5.45x39. However, it sure looks good for the pocket book.

    The thing is if you're wanting an AR don't let the price of ammo stop you. You can get .223 for around the same price. If you want to send 7.62x39 down range get an AK variant.