Update on well-known Ga. homeowner/burgler shooting...

Discussion in 'Firearms in the Media' started by MoreAltitude, Apr 3, 2013.

  1. MoreAltitude

    MoreAltitude New Member

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    Many of you may have heard about this home invasion from a few months ago. It was near Atlanta, and news stations around the country played the graphic 911 calls in which you could hear this



    “Melinda, if he opens that door you shoot, you shoot him, you understand?” the victim’s husband, Donnie Herman, could be heard saying to his wife on the 911 call.
    Donnie Herman called 911 just seconds before a man broke into his home where his wife and two children were hiding in a crawl space.
    “She shot him, she’s shooting him. She’s shooting him, she’s shooting him,” Donnie Herman said in the call.
    Donnie Herman wasn’t at home, but he had his wife on one line and the police on another.
    Investigators said Paul Slater pried his way into the family’s home on Henderson Ridge Lane.
    According to authorities, he used a crowbar to bust open three doors inside the home as he chased Melinda Herman and her children.
    Herman then shot Slater five times with a .38 caliber handgun.
    “Shoot him again, Shoot him,” Donnie Herman said over the phone.


    Result:
    http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/burglar-shot-home-invasion-gets-10-years/nW9nt/

    A burglar shot multiple times during a home invasion will spend 10 years in prison for the crime.


    Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh was the only reporter there when Paul Ali Slater pleaded guilty to burglary charges Tuesday morning. The judge sentenced him to 20 years, with 10 years to serve, and also banished Slater from Walton County.

    Investigators said Slater broke into a Loganville home on Henderson Drive in January and pursued a woman and two children inside. Investigators said Slater broke through a bedroom door, a bathroom door and a closet door before he reached an attic crawl space where the woman was clutching a .38-calibur handgun.

    "The crawl space was there. I figured there might be a safe or something there that might obtain jewelry or something. That was the only door I opened, the only door," Slater said.

    The mother shot Slater five times.

    In court, Slater denied going after anyone. He insisted he thought the home was empty.

    "I knocked on the door. I tried to take every precaution to make sure I was going into a vacant home," he said.

    Slater suggested that he committed the crime for his family. His lawyer previously said Slater has six children.

    "Times is rough for my family, and I made the decision to commit a crime. I was going in the house to steal some jewelry," Slater said.

    Online records show Slater was released from jail on battery charges in August, and he has been arrested six times since 2008.

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    Yep arrested 6 times since 08!!! And what crook breaks in a house and goes to the attic first as he states??? What an a-hole....enjoy prison and your 5 well earned bullet scars
     
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  2. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    just reinforces my theory. two types of people end up in prison, those who are stupid and those who do stupid things.

    sometimes, justice does prevail.:D
     

  3. Doc3402

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    We have a burglar of an occupied dwelling shot five times with a .38 surviving to spend 10 years in jail? A burglar who, according to other press releases, was able to go downstairs, retreat to his car and drive away? I am thrilled beyond belief that this lady stopped this guy from harming her kids and herself, but with a little chemical enhancement on the bad guys part this could have still been a tragedy.

    Let's assume for a minute that some dust or meth had been involved. This guy, after being shot multiple times, still had the strength and motor skills to navigate a stairway, get out of the house and drive. Do you think he wouldn't have had the strength and motor skills to attack if he had just a little bit of chemical courage on board?

    Okay, so why am I harping on this? Too many people are shot with .38's and not put down immediately. Too many are still in possession of the ability to fight after multiple hits with a .38. Too many people translate success at the range into self defense skills. They think that good hits in the K5 means they can carry a more manageable firearm. They think that they will have time to take aim and slowly squeeze the trigger. Wrong, wrong, wrong. In a real world self defense shooting you want the bad guy down right now. It doesn't matter if he lives another 70 years as long as he is incapacitated NOW! This guy was not incapacitated in spite of multiple hits. To put it bluntly, she needed more gun.

    Anyway, kudos to the husband for encouraging his wife to do what was necessary. Kudos to the woman for giving it her best and for protecting herself and her kids. It turned out to have a happy ending, which is always a good thing.
     
  4. blackxpress

    blackxpress New Member

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    I'm glad she was able to stop him. I only wish she was a better shot, or maybe had a more effective weapon. And 10 years is a ridiculously soft sentence for this guy. He's a repeat offender. Does anybody really believe he'll behave himself when he gets out the next time?
     
  5. Doc3402

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    She was a pretty good shot. She only missed with one round out of six which is remarkable under true self defense circumstances. She hit him in the torso and the head and neck area. You couldn't ask for more. What she needed was more gun.

    Anyway, the story has a happy ending. She did manage to get away, the bad guy was caught, and above all, her kids are safe. I hope this doesn't cause too many nightmares for her in the future, but the fact that she was protecting her kids should make it easier.
     
  6. ClemsonSCJ

    ClemsonSCJ New Member

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    Does it sound to anyone else as if Slater was trying to hint at the fact that the woman should be facing charges? He said he didn't attack anyone, knocked on the door, and only opened one door. How the hell do you try and justify any of your actions after forcefully (or hell, it doesn't even have to be forceful) entering a home that he knew was not his...and then be mad at the woman who shot you for protecting her and her children's lives?
     
  7. Doc3402

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    It can't be his fault. It has to be somebody else's. He was a good boy that never did nobody no harm, and he was trying to turn his life around.

    Bovine excrement! He was carrying a crowbar for Pete's sake. I would have taken the shot, too.
     
  8. ClemsonSCJ

    ClemsonSCJ New Member

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    That's an understatement! I would have met him at the door with every magazine I've got for my 1911 and emptied every bullet I've got in him!

    And don't lecture me on the legality of what I just said, I realize you can't do that legally. But it is my firm belief that the gov't should have no right to tell me what I can or cannot do with someone who enters my home without my permission.
     
  9. rickster

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    I had heard of the incident on the news but up to now I wasn't aware of the caliber weapon the homeowner was using. Now I'm worried because what my wife has at home for her protection when I'm not there is a snub nose 357 loaded with Hornady critical defense 38 special +p. Shes good at the range using the 38 cal round but under distress things change. If it would have been her, would she have been able to stop him with 38 cal round? Maybe I should load it up with 357 Hornady critical protection?
     
  10. Tackleberry1

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    Firm beliefs are nice and all... I've got em too... but the fact of the matter is that "if" any of us ever need to shoot an attacker, a grand jury will have 3 months to scrutinize a decision we had 3/10th's of a second to make.

    Combine that with the fact that most "confrontational" shooting end "either" when a gun runs "empty" OR someone is on the ground.

    Also, it's helpful to recognize that any grand jury will be considering "both" the shooter and the corpse... or in this case, the wounded thief.

    A mother alone in the country with her 2 twin girls will get WAY MORE leeway than adult males like us. Not saying that's right... it just is.

    Doc's earlier post about "enough gun" is absolutely correct.

    Some of the best advise I ever read was that "if" forced to shoot... don't shoot the bad guy until "you" think he's done... shoot the bad guy until "he" thinks he's done... I absolutely agree with this but I also recognize that every round I fire will have a "lawyer" attached to it so...

    Bring enough gun.

    Tack
     
  11. Tackleberry1

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    I'd never considered the .38 Special to be anything but a "full powered" defensive cartridge... especially in +P.

    The fact that this guy survived 5 hits, walked downstairs, and drove away, leads me to believe that many of the hits were grazing wounds... or to "non vital" areas.

    Personally, I would still err on the side of arming your wife with a cartridge she's comfortable with. If she handles .38 +P's, I'd chalk this shooting up to the "fluke" factor and keep things as they are.

    We had a thread here awhile back with an article written by a retired County Coroner. This guy had been digging slugs out of corpses for 30+ years... and was an avid shooter. Even after 30 years, he stated he was still unable to determine the differences in entry wound, exit wound, or wound cavities, among the "major" calibers, until he actually found the slug... with his list of "major" calibers being, .38 Spc, .357 Mag, 9 mm, .40 S&W, and .45 ACP.

    He stated there was "significantly" less damage with the mouse gun calibers of .25 ACP, .32 ACP, and .380.

    Personally, I've never had a shoot a human with a handgun... and hope I never do... but I do like to listen to those with more experience than I, and apply that knowledge.

    Tack
     
  12. winds-of-change

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    I'm sure the nightmares belong to the children. :(
    The Mama made the best out of a terrible situation.

    That is what is always in my revolver at my bedside.
     
  13. winds-of-change

    winds-of-change The Balota's Staff Member

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    I think that is probably true.

    Hmmm........when conceal carry comes to Illinois.....and if I decide to carry......it will be a .380. I'll have to think about this some more.
     
  14. ClemsonSCJ

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    Am I a sociopath or bad person for finding it extremely hard to believe that I would feel any remorse or lose any sleep over ending someone's life who was in my home uninvited and knowingly so, most likely with ill intent? Even if it was only to protect myself and no one else was there? They may mean me no harm and just be after money or jewelry, but the fact that they knowingly broke into my house isn't exactly grounds for me giving them the benefit of the doubt. I'm assuming the worst and acting accordingly.
     
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  15. Doc3402

    Doc3402 New Member

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    To be very specific, in this case the lady did in fact stop the assailant. Nobody in the family was harmed, and to the best of my knowledge nothing was taken from the house except some lead. This does not mean that it couldn't have turned out differently.

    One of the stories I read said he was shot in both lungs, the head, and the liver. That alone should have taken him down, but it didn't. Why? We'll never know, but it concerns me. Over the course of my career I have personally seen people shot in the head with a .38 and not even end up with a skull fracture, let alone a penetrating injury. Have I seen more effective results with a .38? Yes, I have. I have seen more people out of the fight than I have seen walking around, but that walking around part scares me. This lady was empty and he was still capable of a fight.

    With that said, I armed my daughter with .357s. She is very precious to me, and I want her to have something I have a fair amount of confidence in. If she gets a good hit or three the odds are fairly high it should bring things to some sort of an end.
     
  16. Doc3402

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    Tack,

    One story (Fox news) detailed the hits as head/face, both lungs, and liver. Another story (abc news) reports a family member saying he got hit in the lungs, liver, and stomach. I normally wouldn't call the lungs and liver grazing wounds, or non-vital areas. My thoughts are inadequate penetration.
     
  17. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    Well, said...

    I think most of us understand that being armed with a handgun... any handgun... it being "barely armed". With this in mind we strive to carry the "most" capable cartridge that we can A. handle accurately, and B. conceal effectively.

    Personally, I'm done carrying anything smaller than 9 mm, which I understand is subjective but it's based on my research, my 17 years of EDC, and from reading coroners papers and listening to EMT's I've met.

    The home is a different story and there is no reason to handicap ourselves with ANY handgun when concealment is not a concern and long guns are soooo much more effective.

    1 blast from a round of 00 Buck would have delivered 9 .32 pellets, 6 to 9 inches deep and at a spread of no more than 4 inches given "interior" engagement distances... and I've never seen or heard of anyone continuing an attack after being hit with this load.

    Hmm... Maybee Uncle Joe was "1/2 right" anyway.:eek:

    Tack
     
  18. Doc3402

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    Tack,

    I've always preferred the #1 buck. Lighter pellets, and maybe less penetration, but I figure putting more pellets into the same area would make more of a mess. To me it seems logical, but I know many disagree with me, and I accept that.

    Uncle Joe right? Come on now. Shame on you. <grin>
     
  19. rickster

    rickster New Member

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    No. No. No. Nothing smaller than 9mm. Better 40sw or 45acp.
     
  20. rickster

    rickster New Member

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    This scares me because I had always regarded 38 special as a pretty good round. After all, it was widely used by law Inforcement for many years and dropped for semi-autos with more round capacity and faster reload. But now I'm starting to doubt it effectiveness. I'd be interesting to know what type of round the homeowner was using.