Up in arms

Discussion in 'General Handgun Discussion' started by jp72, Aug 16, 2010.

  1. jp72

    jp72 New Member

    I need advice. About three years ago, my dad gave me his 22 cal. pistol my mother gave to him on thier 1 year anniversary (about 1958). The gun had a little pitting on the metal and the hammer would pull back extremly hard. I took the gun to a local gun shop to have it repaired and reblued. I have brought guns to this shop on 2-3 diferent occasion for the same thing and he usually has the guns for 2-3 years. Not a big deal as i dont use the guns anyway, I just like to have my dads and grandads guns. Well in the first two years, I called a couple of times and he said it was not done yet and he would call when done. another 1 - 1 1/2 years went by so i stopped in to check on it. The gun shop owner tells me he does not have the gun and does not know what i am talking about. I have the claim check for when I dropped the gun off, when I showed this to him he said that he has not used those claim checks for years and someone else must have picked up the gun. It is a gun that is not worth much but my mother gave it to my dad, that is worth alot to me. Can anyone give me advise on what to do next? Is the claim check that I have worth anything? Any help on the matter would be greatly appreciated.
  2. CourtJester

    CourtJester Well-Known Member

    No advice for you but I wish you the best of luck man.

  3. orangello

    orangello New Member

    I would let the shop owner know that i was planning to report the pistol stolen. I wouldn't want a pistol roaming around free that could be traced back to me, eventually.

    I would also look for a 'smith with more of his time to work on projects rather than wasting more of my time. crappy luck, sorry.
  4. StanDJ77

    StanDJ77 New Member

    I agree, i would report the gun stolen at least. If the shop keeps records of who bought guns, then maybe they can trace the person who purchased it. With that being said, the shop would be at fault, not the customer. A tough lesson learned i guess:(
  5. gatopardo

    gatopardo New Member

    Me too

    I so definitely agree, that pistol can get you in trouble, report to the police immediately. I you have to sign an affidavit, that will help you just in case:eek:
  6. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

    First, you need another smith. Mine just did a reblue in 30 days.

    Second, advise the smith (IN WRITING) that he has 5 working days to find your gun. After that, you intend to file a stolen report with local law enforcement, and to notify the BATFE. Chose words carefully, keep a copy.

    A smith is required to maintain records of any firearms he keeps more than one day. They have to be logged in and out. IF a gun is returned to ANYONE other than the person that gave it to him in the first place, he legally must treat it as a transfer (just like if you bought a gun). That means a form 4473 that he must retain for 20 years, background check, etc.

    Third- the draft you feel is this person puffing sunshine up your skirt. If I went to a mechanic that was restoring my car, and he said "Gee, I don't have it. Someone else must have picked it up.", I WOULD have satisfaction.

    In the case of your "gunsmith", I would have my gun- repaired or not, or I would have his license so that he can not pull this crap with someone else.
  7. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

    That sounds like wise advice to me!
  8. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

    At the shop I work at we log every firearm in and out and maintain the records for years. c3shooter hit the nail squarely on the head with his post.

    Don't be intimidated by the shop owner and don't let the SOB get away with it. I'd promise the store owner that I'd be contacting the Feds and *****ing up a $hit storm. The Feds don't look kindly on lost or misplaced firearms in gun stores.
  9. jp72

    jp72 New Member

    Thanks guys, I will do just that. Appreciate the input.
  10. Mark F

    Mark F Active Member Supporter

    Sorry man, but this is blatantly stupid on your part. Leaving ANYTHING (let alone a gun) for more than 30 days is just plain ludicrous. There are literally thousands of Gun Smiths out there. Most are honest hard working people looking to provide quality work at a reasonable price, in a reasonable time frame.

    You do need to report this to the BBB, and the police. I'm surprised that POS is still in business... but again, you let it happen.
  11. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

    Dang Mark, we have consignment firearms that have been at the shop for years and you should be able to trust your local firearms store owner. The public should not have to afraid when dealing with professionals.

    Maybe I shouldn't leave my money in the banks so long either. Firearms dealers should be held to the same professional standards as bankers. They put bankers in jail for fraud don't they?
  12. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

    WOW That was not very nice at all.

    I trusted my home town store a lot when it was in business. They were straight shooters as 99% of the shooting community is.

    Sounds like the OP doesn't do much with firearms to begin with and may have not known that a job like his should only take a few weeks.

    While I was in the military I had to move posts. Fort Hood to Fort Sam. My car wasn't lic and a buddy had crashed it for me. I took it to a dealership and said look I want a new blue ford Ranger 4x4 extended cab and I am trading in my car I have $3500 for a down payment. I have to go out of town for a 3 days then I will be back to pick up the truck and drop off my payment. So I leave call the next day and he is working on my deal I get back 3 days later and no car no truck and he tells me to EFF OFF. Even the manager and owner tell me that. Dude says he never seen be before and never seen the car. When I reached over and lifted his desk calendar there was the key to my car. Still I got saddled with no car no new car and to top it all off some how even though I never missed a payment i was saddled with a repo on my credit. It took me 3 years to get it all take care of.

    Was it smart on my part NO I didn't know it wasn't because I talked to this guy 4 or 5 times in the matter of a week about this deal. Was it smart of the OP no. But, it doesn't make it right on either account.

    You place trust in people till they prove you can't. Well he proved he couldn't be trusted. I am sure I would be telling all the people I knew in the area that he is untrustworthy and a thief.

    Other than that see C3shooters post and do what he says. Feds don't like sloppy records keeping in the gun business.
  13. superc

    superc Member

    #1 Contact your PD and report the theft, Let the smith prove he didn't steal it. Federal Regulations required the Gun Smith to keep bound book entries regarding when the gun came into the shop and exactly who it went out to. If the dealer won't produce them for you or the local police (allowable in some states), call ATF and get them interested. They will probably be very happy to give your local PD a hand on that issue. [See that? ATF does have a useful purpose after all.]

    #2 Becoming a gunsmith is literally (in many states) as buying a business license and paying a fee to ATF. Instant expert as soon as the shop open sign hits the store window. I have personal experience with an instant gunsmith of that type who opened a local store, took guns in for consignment and repair, then swapped them to non-qualified people for some crystal and the use of a few friendly women while stalling the owners. Not my guns TG, but I did know the owners. Many of those guns still have yet to show up. Yes, he got arrested, but so what? The guns are gone. Some of the owners have since died of old age waiting for their guns to surface.
  14. TJB63

    TJB63 New Member

    As already stated,

    You Need to Report it Stolen to the PD (CYA)

    Second: You need to (In Writting) contact the BATFE with an explanation of what happened, Include the Dealers Name/Address naturally, along with a copy of the Claim check.

    In the end, Your gun is probably a complete loss, But You will prevent this "Dealer/Gunsmith" from ripping off somebody else.

    2-3 years turn around is way too long for even having a house built, You will have to chalk this up to a life lesson learned. Of course once You start putting the Pressure on this guy, He may "Find" your firearm.

    Good Luck and don't let another day pass before taking action. Be sure to explain to the PD/BATFE exactly what transpired, I'm sure somebody will be visiting this guy to go over his record books, licensing etc...

    ~ TJB
  15. Mark F

    Mark F Active Member Supporter

    Hunter Joe,

    Trust has absolutely nothing to do with it.

    It's strictly about traceability and accountability, just like your Bank, your Mortgage, your car title, your credit cards, your drivers license, your Social Security, and anything else that documents your existence, your ownership, and your transactions.

    Trust is "nice", (I wish there was more of it) however it doesn't provide accountability or traceability... meaning that you are "potentially" setting yourself up to be another VICTIM.

    TRUST is the number one cause of LAWS.