Unintended Consequences and the Difference Between Us and Them

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by Cnon, May 25, 2014.

  1. Cnon

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    Unintended consequences are fascinating. One of the most intriguing things about them is that they're often so easy to predict -- at least for people not directly involved in the disastrous decisions.

    Such was the case with two recent choices, one made by anti-gunners and one made by pro-gunners.


    http://jpfo.org/articles-assd04/wolfe-unintended-consequences.htm



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  2. therewolf

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    Here's an unexpected result. I left NJ. Took all
    my money with me.

    I'm northern by birth, but southern by choice.

    Now I spend all my money in Florida, which,

    somehow, even with all it's guns, is safer than NJ.

    Now NJ has more restrictive laws, less people for it's

    tax base, and less money coming in.

    How's that for unexpected results, NJ?
     
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  3. Cnon

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    Love it; like they say, money talks, BS Walks.


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  4. WebleyFosbery38

    WebleyFosbery38 New Member

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    There is both purity in some reasoning and lack of it in others. If your reasoning comes from a higher calling, its likely to be less problematic than just trying to stack the deck with cards that favor one person over another.


    What Remington did was finish the discussion, they didnt start it (publicly), it was highly predictable and everyone here saw it coming like a freight train, Andy included. It wasnt the first nail, only the final one and Remington was preparing to do this long before the safe act, Andy just fired the final shot and now they have all the ammo they need to leave the state supported by most Forearm enthusiasts and 2A supporters.

    Dipsticks that wanna play urban warrior wannabe have never reflected the typical 2A supporter, they dont today, we shouldnt give them any credence for effect cause they dont resemble anything we stand for even if Libterds want to equate one with the other because it serves their cause not ours. Thats like saying all Camaro owners are dangerous cause a few drive like idiots.

    When Gov acts, there are very few unintended consequences. They have statistics that support everything they do and predict the outcomes pretty successfully. They are rarely surprised by outcomes we didnt see coming even if they say they are shocked. Andy wont cry a single tear about Remington and he claps everytime an idiot does something foolish with a firearm in tow.
     
  5. Vincine

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    What a good article. There's a saying, "Every solution breeds more problems." Big solutions breed big problems. It's why I favor smaller, more local controls, not because they will prevent unintended consequences, but because a community can more quickly see perverse effects and can modify or 'reverse course' as needed for their community. As she puts it, "The grassroots are nimble." When you try things on the small scale, and they work, they can be adapted by others to implement, and/or modify, as they see fit. It's hell to get something done on a large scale, and even worse to get it 'fixed'.
     
  6. WebleyFosbery38

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    Exactly what we used to call the KISS System. The Keep It Simple Stupid has served me incredibly well. Too many layers add unreasonable and useless complexity to things best dealt with simply. Hell, in 6th grade, I was able to understand the things I must and cant do as a citizen by reading a few sheets of paper smaller than one chapter in my history books.

    Ignorance of the law was no excuse then but it a perfect one today. LEO's and courts take months and years to decide guilt or innocence. WTF, we dont have that luxury when were just trying to live! We would never get anything done just like today for gods sake. Everyone doing a job or trying to create a business has to say "I will get back with you on that, gotta reference my law library" before they can fart!

    V-, dont get me raging on this, OMG it pisses me off...
     
  7. Warrior1256

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    As far as open carry is concerned I have no problem with it when someone is walking down the street with a holstered firearm in plain view. But when someone is walking around with a long arm or two slung on their shoulders and two or more handguns hanging on their belt why are they so shocked when the cops show up legal or not. If you're walking around in public more heavily armed than Rambo no wonder the average Joe thinks badly of pro-gun people and certainly no wonder that businesses don't want you in their stores.
     
  8. c3shooter

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    The old saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." is quite true- and the article is a good read.

    Case in point- politicians decided that they should prohibit import of "Saturday Night Specials"- small, cheaply made handguns- and yes, the RG comes to mind.

    NOW the politicians are complaining about BIG, powerful handguns. (Dude- you got rid of the little cheap ones- what did you expect?) :confused:
     
  9. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    Yes! I support Forearms as well as FIREARMS!!

    The Road to hell is just that! the road to hell...


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  10. WebleyFosbery38

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    Them damn "Forearm enthusiasts" are the worst ever. Not to be confused with foreskin enthusiasts, completely different crowd, we call them hoodies around here!

    I hate when my fingers type something wrong yet my eyes dont pick it up, just see what they wanna see...
     
  11. John_Deer

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    The two people in Chipotle had to be imposters from anti gun groups. I hope no one that is fit to own a gun is that stupid. Bloomberg and other anti gun organizations are getting their butt kicked at almost every corner. Politicians in CO have told Bloomberg they don't want his millions.

    Desperate times call for desperate measures. These are desperate times for the Brady bunch. They can't win in state legislatures or in the courts. But there are always people who are willing patsies. Anyone with their head screwed on straight is not going to carry their long gun into chain restaurant expecting positive results. The results of OC groups in CA should be a wake up call to gun owners. Stop bringing your rifle or open carry pistol on private property. Doing so is only creating enemies at every turn. No, you do not have a right to carry your gun on private property uninvited.
     
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  12. DrFootball

    DrFootball disappointed & disgusted, But DETERMINED... Lifetime Supporter

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    Even here in my Part of Az., where it's almost"Pasae" to open carry here,.i'll Only do it when I'm going out in the Desert. Our PD Lt. Had an interesting story. Hippie Family opens a connivence store in our town. Not to many businesses here, they care mostly in the two Surrounding towns. Owner comes over to City hall to ask town Lawyer if he could legally post a sign in his store Declaring it a "Gun Free Zone" town lawyer says " it's your biz, do what you want, but why would you want to ?" Guy goes into a windbag story about how he's opposed to Gun ownership because his Father was Killed in "some Riot in LA" by a cop. Lawyer told him" we have very little crime here. If you post that sign, you could become a statistic" a month passes, and the PF Lt. Is called to investigate a robbery at the store. The owner was there early, by himself to wait for a delivery, when someone put a knife to his neck while he was in his car with the drivers side window down. I'll be Darned if that robber didn't take him for about $1200. Now he has an Ad in the Paper for a "Security Guard with his own Gun"...


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