Undeterred Somali pirates hijack 4 more ships

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  1. dnthmn2004

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    NAIROBI, Kenya – NATO says Somali pirates have hijacked another cargo ship in the Gulf of Aden, the fourth ship seized in the last two days.

    NATO spokeswoman Shona Lowe says the Lebanese-owned MV Sea Horse was attacked Tuesday off the Somali coast by pirates in three or four speedboats. She had no further details.

    Earlier, Somali pirates captured the MV Irene E.M., a Greek-managed bulk carrier sailing from the Middle East to South Asia. The Irene was seized in the middle of the night Tuesday — a rare tactic for the pirates.

    Somali pirates appear undeterred by U.S. and French attacks that have killed five pirates in the past week during hostage rescues, including that of an American sea captain.

    Pirates have vowed to retaliate for the killing of their colleagues.

    THIS IS A BREAKING NEWS UPDATE. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

    MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) — Undeterred by U.S. and French hostage rescues that killed five bandits, Somali pirates brazenly hijacked three more ships in the Gulf of Aden, the waterway at the center of the world's fight against piracy.

    Pirates have vowed to retaliate for the killing of their colleagues — and the top U.S. military officer said Tuesday he takes those comments seriously.

    But Adm. Michael Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, told ABC's "Good Morning America" that "we're very well prepared to deal with anything like that."

    The latest trophy for the pirates was the M.V. Irene E.M., a Greek-managed bulk carrier sailing from the Middle East to South Asia, said Noel Choong, who heads the International Maritime Bureau's piracy reporting center in Kuala Lumpur.

    The Irene was attacked and seized in the middle of the night Tuesday — a rare tactic for the pirates.

    U.S. Navy Lt. Nathan Christensen, spokesman for the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, said the Irene was flagged in the Caribbean island nation of St. Vincent and the Grenadines and carried 23 Filipino crew. Choong reported a crew of 21, and there was no immediate way to reconcile the figures.

    A maritime security contractor, speaking on condition of anonymity because it is a sensitive security issue, said the ship put out a distress signal "to say they had a suspicious vessel approaching. That rapidly turned into an attack and then a hijacking."

    "They tried to call in support on the emergency channels, but they never got any response," the contractor said.

    On Monday, Somali pirates also seized two Egyptian fishing boats in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia's northern coast, according to Egypt's Foreign Ministry, which said the boats carried 18 to 24 Egyptians total.

    A flotilla of warships from nearly a dozen countries has patrolled the Gulf of Aden and nearby Indian Ocean waters for months. They have halted several attacks on ships this year, but say the area is so vast they can't stop all hijackings.

    Choong said pirate attacks this year had risen to 77, with 18 of those ships hijacked and 16 vessels with 285 crew still in pirates' hands. Each boat carries the potential of a million-dollar ransom.

    The latest seizures come after Navy SEAL snipers rescued American ship captain Richard Phillips on Sunday by killing three young pirates who held him captive in a drifting lifeboat for five days. A fourth pirate surrendered after seeking medical attention for a wound he received in trying to take over Phillips' vessel, the Maersk Alabama.

    Phillips is aboard a Navy vessel at an undisclosed location, Christensen said Tuesday. He was initially taken aboard the Norfolk, Va.-based USS Bainbridge and then flown to the San Diego-based USS Boxer for a medical exam.

    In Washington, President Barack Obama appeared to move the piracy issue higher on his agenda, vowing the United States would work with nations around the world to fight the problem.

    "I want to be very clear that we are resolved to halt the rise of piracy in that region and to achieve that goal, we're going to have to continue to work with our partners to prevent future attacks," Obama said at a news conference Monday.

    The 19 crew members of the Alabama celebrated their skipper's freedom with beer and an evening barbecue Monday in the Kenyan port of Mombasa, said crewman Ken Quinn.

    The vessel's chief mate was among those urging strong U.S. action against piracy.

    "It's time for us to step in and put an end to this crisis," Shane Murphy said. "It's a crisis. Wake up."

    The U.S. is considering new options to fight piracy, including adding Navy gunships along the Somali coastline and launching a campaign to disable pirate "mother ships," according to military officials. They spoke on condition of anonymity because no decisions have been made yet.

    In Burlington, Vt., Phillips' wife, Andrea Phillips thanked Obama, who approved the dramatic sniper operation.

    "With Richard saved, you all just gave me the best Easter ever," she said in a statement.

    The four pirates that attacked the Alabama were between 17 and 19 years old, Defense Secretary Robert Gates said.

    "Untrained teenagers with heavy weapons," Gates told students and faculty at the Marine Corps War College. "Everybody in the room knows the consequences of that."

    U.S. officials were now considering whether to bring the fourth pirate, who surrendered shortly before the sniper shootings, to the United States or possibly turn him over to Kenya. Both piracy and hostage-taking carry life prison sentences under U.S. law.

    The French navy late Monday handed over the bodies of two Somali pirates killed in a hostage rescue operation last week to authorities in Somali's semiautonomous northern region of Puntland and locals buried the bodies.
     
  2. Dillinger

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    They are doing the job for us. They have now pissed off: The US, The French, The Greeks, The Lebanese ( ??? ) and finally the Saudi's.

    Does anyone really believe their won't be a Come to Allah meeting in the near future?

    When you are the neighborhood bully ( pirates ) , and the Crips ( Saudi's / Lebanese ) decide to drive thru your turf, throwing rocks at their car and calling them names PROBABLY isn't the best overall course of action....

    That's all I am saying. :rolleyes:

    I bag on the French a lot, because, well, I really don't like them. :DHowever, their military special forces units are quite hardcore and well trained. GIGN has some of the top shooters in Europe actually and they are known to actually pull the trigger when the time comes. Do not be surprised to see French cargo ships in that region have some "escorts" from COFUSCO ( French Naval Commandos ) in the near future....

    And as for our ships - well, what have we learned about taking an American ship kids? Don't Do It! That plate is MUCH too hot for you to touch....

    JD
     

  3. dragunovsks

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    My only question is how do 4 or 5 of these jackazzes in a rubber dingy get a cargo ship weighing several thousand tons to stop? If I was a ship captain in this area of the world I would just run them down.

    If they would just arm the cargo ships like they did during WWII and let the crews blow those guys out of the water, we wouldn't have to worry about them anymore.
     
  4. DonnyKC

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    there not using rubber dingy. most are using hijacked speed boats. and most these ships take thousands of yards to turn around. most just gun it and pray they can out run these douche bags. now there using the cover of night. it is time for a much stronger military presence. and if it where up to me i would hire mercenaries to also patrol these waters.
     
  5. Dillinger

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    I am sure Blackwater has some guys not doing anything these days. I bet they would be more than willing to take care of the problem for you. :D

    JD
     
  6. dragunovsks

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    Wow, a speedboat, still I don't see how the pirates in their speedboats are able to stop a ship weighing thousands of tons. And I know that a ship that size doesn't turn on a dime but if they hold their course and don't stop the bad guys can't board them. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.
     
  7. CA357

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    Unfortunately, RPG's stop ships. I think infants teethe on the damn things, they're so prevalent in third world countries.

    The solution is to hunt these scumsuckers down and kill them. Sink the mother ships, sink the small boats and kill every last one of them. Go into the ports and destroy their logistical support.

    Waiting for something to happen and then hoping to be able to respond in a timely manner doesn't work. Apparently we don't even have a coherent policy on this situation. It's time to take the fight to them.
     
  8. Jo da Plumbr

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    In the report I read they say the pirates pull alongside the ship and use ropes with grappling hooks to climb the side. If the crews see them coming they use fire hoses to try to knock the pirates off. But if there are several boats and multiple climbers sooner or later one BG gets on board. With no weapons allowed on the ship, one pirate with an AK has complete control. The crews give up at that point (unless they are American) :D knowing they are not going to be hurt and a ransom will be paid.
     
  9. Dillinger

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    Most pirates come from the aft, in the wake of the large boat. The noise of the large boats own props and engines helps mask the sounds of the approaching pirate vessel. The speed boats are a hell of a lot more manueverable, so even if they miss on a first pass, they just gun it and catch up.

    Add in the risky approach of a night assault, which isn't an easy proposition for either party, and they have a pretty good chance of success if they are the only ones with guns. :(

    JD
     
  10. cpttango30

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    I few Mk19 MOD-4 on the aft end of the ship ought to make them starvin Marvin muther effers think twice about trying to bored a ship. I mean how hard is it to lob a few 40mm HE grenades at these mfers. If you start killing them and not NATO UN ***** footing around talking to them they will stop. Or hey just stop shipping to and from that area. Piss on them.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oAYxFQDyuo0]YouTube - MK-19 firing at BOLC II Fort Benning[/ame]
     
  11. Benning Boy

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    Errol Flynn wouldn't take that s**t.

    I second Blackwater.:cool:
     
  12. jammon3

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    "cpttango-I few Mk19 MOD-4 on the aft end of the ship ought to make them starvin Marvin muther effers think twice about trying to bored a ship. I mean how hard is it to lob a few 40mm HE grenades at these mfers. If you start killing them and not NATO UN ***** footing around talking to them they will stop. Or hey just stop shipping to and from that area. Piss on them. "


    The last time in I was in Baghdad I had the pleasure of listening to a MK-19 being fired from a Specter and watching the rounds rain hell on a building across the road from us. I can guarantee an MK-19 would get the pirates attention VERY quickly : )
     
  13. dunerunner

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    Is this something l.ike what you guys are talking about?

    MK19 40mm Machine Gun, MOD 3
    The MK19 Mod3 40mm Grenade Machine Gun was first developed by the Navy in the early 1960's. TACOM-ARDEC has since suggested modifications to this system which has enabled the Army to deploy the MK19 in the harsh environments encountered during world-wide operations and has therefore enhanced its performance. The MK19 firing rate is over 350 grenades per minute and it is effective to ranges of over 2200 meters. The system was deployed in Southwest Asia during Operation Desert Storm and devastated enemy infantry.

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    Manufacturer: Saco Defense Industries
    Length: 43.1 inches (109.47 centimeters)
    Weight:
    Gun: 72.5 pounds (32.92 kilograms)
    Cradle (MK64 Mod 5): 21.0 pounds (9.53 kilograms)
    Tripod: 44.0 pounds (19.98 kilograms)
    Total: 137.5 pounds (62.43 kilograms)
    Muzzle velocity: 790 feet (240.69 meters) per second
    Bore diameter: 40mm
    Maximum range: 2200 meters
    Maximum effective range: 1600 meters
    Rates of fire:
    Cyclic: 325-375 rounds per minute
    Rapid: 60 rounds per minute
    Sustained: 40 rounds per minute
    Unit Replacement Cost: $13,758
     
  14. Dillinger

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    The MK-19 isn't man portable, at least, not easily. Too cumbersome and too expensive.

    Equip each ship with a couple of these bad boys and a box of "eggs"

    M-32 40mm Grenade Launcher. Can deliver all 6 rounds in under 3 seconds. :D
     

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  15. skullcrusher

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    That would be better than mounted machine guns on a merchant ship. It can be hidden away and grabbed before the slime gets near the ship.

    A merchant ship fitted with mounted guns is no longer a merchant ship. Merchant ships travel to many ports in many countries. I'm not sure how receptive some ports would be to gun ships docking in their ports regularly.
    Also, if the pirates are able to take a merchant ship with mounted guns, then they will have a gun ship in their arsenal.
     
  16. cpttango30

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    If they don't like guns mounted on ships then they don't like the products I carry on my ship. Go piss up a rope is what I tell them.

    If I was a ship captain that has to go in to that area I am going to be armed to the teeth. Weather you effing like it or not. I am going to have MG grenades if I can get them and what ever else I can get my hands on legal or not.

    Either way if you place a simple pintal mount on the aft of the ship or 2 or 3 or 4 then you can store the mk19 in a close by storage area along with lots and lots of ammo. When you are going into hostile waters you pull them out and man then 24/7. When you don't need them put them away. $13 K for a mk-19 is cheaper than hiring blackwater douche bags to ride along and eat up my food.
     
  17. skullcrusher

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    Good points, tango.

    I am all for arming the ships, and if I owned a shipping company, I would arm them as an insurance policy. All I was saying is that there is a reason why merchant ships are not armed as a rule. That may change now. :)
     
  18. Dillinger

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    There is already a host of non lethal devices that you could outfit your standard cargo vessel with and be in full compliance.

    High Intensity Strobe Lights - Mac tested these on Future Weapons.
    Ultra High Frequency noise machines - Mac tested these on Future Weapons as well.
    High Density Super Slick foam, oil, or other "semi bio degradeable component"
    Hell, even some extension cords, a high voltage capacitor and a couple of slabs of chain link fencing.

    Those options are not going to get to the heart of the problem and still be within compliance.

    As for not being able to dock, well, if you don't own the company, you can't really make that call. If your employer decides he is docking in some third world shi'ite hole and picking up goods, then you are getting paid to do that. *shrug*

    Portable, and easily stowable, weapons would be my first choice...

    JD
     
  19. skullcrusher

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    How's 'bout balloons filled with pig blood? Watercannons filled with pig blood, too. Coat 'em in swine blood and shoot 'em in the head. Leave their friends to take them back and tell what happened. The actual Muslims would not want join the pirate groups, no matter the money involved. :D
     
  20. Dillinger

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    ^^^ That's not bad S.C.

    That's a hell of an idea actually, but these are Somali's - are we sure they are Muslim? Or just meddling, pains in the rear?

    I like that though - Diabolical and OH SO VERY to the point of the matter....

    Nice!

    JD