Uncommon Mil-surps

Discussion in 'Curio & Relic Discussion' started by Trez, Jan 6, 2012.

  1. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Funny how no one thinks of Mexico or the Chinese when it comes to firearms, but both of them beat the rest of the world when it came to inventing the semi-auto.... Mexico with the Mondragon, China with the Liu Rifle
    (A Mondragon clip is in my Mex mil-surp thread...)

    Liu Rifle:
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/user/NFMCurator?feature=watch#p/u/55/mWEa6_aJI9M]NFMCurator's Channel - YouTube[/ame]

    Another weird one... Japanese copy of the M1... A "Japanese Garand"
    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/user/NFMCurator?feature=watch#p/u/80/xUBvrCACNDQ]NFMCurator's Channel - YouTube[/ame]

    So, Whats some other "uncommon" Mil-surps that are out there? Are there any that arent very collectible, thus inexpensive? Just tryin' to expand my mil-surp knowledge (and maybe collection? ;) )
     
  2. Cory2

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    Swiss k-31, idk how uncommon they are, but they can be had for around 250 bucks. Straight pull bolt (you wanna talk about ahead of their time lol) and extremely accurate, detachable box mag. They also have very nice triggers, it will surprise you the first several times you fire it, which is a good thing.

    If you get one, check under the metal buttplate, these rifles were issued to switzerlands citizens and they would put their name and adress on a little piece of paper and put it under the but plate so it could be returned if it was ever lost.

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  3. Rex in OTZ

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    First Selfloaders issued to a standing military, Way to Go Danes!

    After the Second Schleswig War the Danes were seriose about not loseing any more real estate to the Prussians and there Needle rifles.
    The Danes were neck and neck with the Mexicans in development the Land of Exotic babes and Ham actually issued them first, The Chinese Liu is a Gas trap design that benifits research off the Danish Bang Rifle.

    Firearms History, Technology & Development: Actions: Gas Operated: Gas Trap

    M1922 Bang rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/pdf/2009-6/200961711142-garandpedersen.pdf

    Modern Firearms - Madsen-Rasmussen M1896 self-loading rifle
     

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    Italy's Breda 1935 PG

    Modern Firearms - Breda M1935 PG rifle

    The Model 1935 or “PG” (Peso a Gaz, gas-operated) rifle was developed during early 1930s by famous Italian company Societa Meccanica Ernesto Breda. Originally designed to fire standard Italian rifle ammunition of the period, the 6.5x52 Carcano round, in semi-automatic mode, it was later redesigned to fire somewhat more powerful 7x57 Mauser ammunition with select-fire capability. The 6.5mm semi-automatic version, according to some sources, was pressed into Italian service in limited numbers in around 1943-44. The 7mm select-fire version was developed under contract from Costa Rica, and about 400 automatic Breda PG rifles were produced for Costa Rican government. Breda M1935 PG rifles were somewhat heavy, of complicated design, and expensive to make. Historical importance of these rifles is that Costa-Rican Breda PG automatic rifles were probably the first weapons to incorporate burst limiting mechanisms, which, when engaged, automatically cut the bursts of automatic fire after just 4 rounds, in an apparent attempt to conserve ammunition.
     

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  5. Trez

    Trez Well-Known Member

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    Very cool Rex!:)
     
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    Pederson in The Land of the Rising Sun

    pedersen
     

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    Italian Fucile Armaguerra Mo.39

    Italian Semi-Automatic Rifle

    The one self loading rifle the Italian Govt found the most success with (apparently 10.000 were ordered) was the so-called ‘Armaguerra’. Also known as ‘Fucile Armaguerra Mo.39’. Actually made by the well known Revelli firm.
    Beautifully made, with nice deep bluing it was a slim handsome rifle weighing in at about 8 pounds.
    At first glance the customary cocking handle could not be found, but turning the rifle over and looking close revealed that in order to open the action a vigorous downward and back pull on the ‘sling’ where it attached to the front swivel was required to cock the action. It took the standard Eytie charger and was of course in 6.5 Italian caliber
     

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    2 of my favorites:
    The Ljungman
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    The Hakim
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    I was offered a Browning BAR in 6.5x55 a few years ago, Test rifle for the Swedish military. Only 1 of 3 ever built, $27,000.00
     
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    French MAS 45

    https://www.libertytreecollectors.com/productcart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=1623&idcategory=74

    The history of the Mas 45 is a bit more complex.
    The Mauser factory at Oberndorff was captured by French Forces on 20 April, 1945. The French Army had that factory resume production of K98 rifles and P38 pistols in August 45. (you will find numerous threads on the weapons produced during that period with and without French markings on this and other forums). They then ordered .22 trainers also, and Mauser engineers produced the Mod.45, which closely resembles the KKW, but with a rear peep sight as per French specs (the German models had a tangential rear sight). About 8000 of them were produced in Oberndorff, until the Soviets asked the factory to be closed in August 1946 , because the manufacture of weapons was banned in Germany. The French Army then blew up the plant, but had its equipment transferred to France.
    The production of the .22 trainer was resumed in France, first in Mulhouse, then in Saint Etienne. The first hundreds were assembled from German made parts and have combined Mauser/Mas markings, but all the others were from French made parts, with only Mas markings. The two models are not identical: the Mauser is blued vs. the Mas parkerised, the Mauser barrel is slightly longer than the Mas one, and it is grooved to the right vs the French one to the left. A great number of them were manufactured in Saint Etienne (hence the name MAS for Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Etienne) as trainers for the armed forces and even for the civilian market, well into the nineteen sixties. Anyway it is an excellent rifle, of excellent quality, although a bit heavy because of the barrel.
     

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    MAS Mle 49/56

    MAS-49 rifle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    http://world.guns.ru/rifle/autoloading-rifles/fr/mas-1949-and-4956-e.html
    This has to be one the most under appreciated self loading rifles out there.
    I'd say its the most rifle for your Dollar you can get these days.
    Think if the Sks ever grew up to digest adult size cartridges it'd be the MAS 49 minus the gas piston.
    I have one the Century Arms conversion models (late .308 models after CA worked the bugs out)

    This is one huge hunk of machined steely badness.
    http://www.sturmgewehr.com/bhinton/French_MAS/

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHFIVP-R0A&feature=related]MAS MLE 1949-56 .308 Rifle review - YouTube[/ame]






    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa5Q95CmcG0&feature=related]MAS 49 56 - YouTube[/ame]
     

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    Egyptian Helwan Brigader 9mm

    Beretta M 1951 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    This was a economy handgun (1989 cost $230 nib) it is a substantal handgun mfg of all steel, seems to really built tough, for who buit it and how much it cost you can expect some rough edges and gritty feel, but for a first 9mm is not so bad, its kinda like the 1990's Chinese Norinco stuff, can polish it up the feed ramp and stone the tool marks on the sear to make a better gun.

    Modern Firearms - Beretta 951

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alvt1TQB5TE&feature=related]Helwan 9mm Take down - YouTube[/ame]
     

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    Italian Carcano M91

    Carcano - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Modern Firearms - Carcano M91

    Carcano Homepage: Italian Military Rifles and Carbines

    Italian

    Mannlicher magazine system requires this rifle to need a
    Large opening at the bottom of the magazine easily collected the dirt and dust into the magazine. The en block clip loading system does not allow the partially full magazine to be refilled without removing the non-empty clip first. The use of rimmed ammunition resulted in the non-symmetric clip which could be inserted into the action only with one side down; upper side of the clip has stamped serrations to hold it while loading

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4c5Zr7hzzA]6.5mm Mannlicher-Carcano rifle, 6 shots in 5.1 seconds. - YouTube[/ame]

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uy_T7D2-Y3o&feature=related]650 yards 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano M91/38 rifle Kennedy Oswald - YouTube[/ame]
     

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    1891 Argentine Mauser

    Classic Test: 1891 Argentine Carbine

    The FMA Modele 1891 (Fusil Mauser Argentino) Is basically a Turkish Mauser M-1890 modified for use by Argentine forces. Virtually all of these rifles were not actually built or modified for Argentine use in Argentina; instead, they were made and the modifications done by Loewe of Germany (and to a limited extent, DWM), and then passed on to Argentina.

    Argentine Battle Rifles

    7.65×53mm Argentine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vquVl-blwK8&feature=related]Argentine Mauser 1891 - YouTube[/ame]
     

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