Two winter movies

Discussion in 'Firearms in the Media' started by Mercator, Jan 15, 2016.

  1. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

    Any thoughts on how firearms were portrayed in The Revenant and the Maleficent Eight?

    I know precious little about blackpowder antiques. I can only say that I loved the Revenant, and found the Eight to be gross and I swear the last Tarantino movie I'll watch even for free.
     
  2. therewolf

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    I feel the firearms in the Revenant were represented a lot more accurately

    than the weather exposure issues. NOBODY loses that much blood,

    doesn't wear any hat, gets that little to eat, constantly immerses

    themselves in that much frigid water and driving wind, and lives...
     
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  3. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

    Fair. On the other hand the human body can be amazing. It just may be that Hugh Glass was one freak of nature and good luck, and that's how he made the story and not the hundreds of folks who died in the same predicament.

    Among all things gross in the "Eight" I found the upward shotgun blast from the basement through the floor an ornate piece of fiction. That m-f-er should have been stunned and deaf after that, instead of hopping up cool as a cucumber with a perfect haircut. Am I wrong?
     
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  4. CaptMidnight

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    The true story of Hugh Glasses survival was super human. It would be near impossible for a healthy man to walk across there in the Winter to Chamberlin, SD.
    I have been up there in the winter well fed and dressed. That would have taken a tough man to do what he did. He would be killed by Indians in Montana in 1833.
     
  5. therewolf

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    They say the story gets better with the telling, but he seemed to

    go from death bivouac to death bivouac completely unaffected.

    You have to spend some time in the extreme cold and elements

    to understand what I mean. You must have fuel to drive your

    body to stay warm. Hypothermia sets in seconds after you hit

    frigid running water. Hypothermia also sets in with wind chill.


    Don't get me wrong, I liked this movie, but it will misguide

    people to their deaths, if they take it literally.
     
  6. CaptMidnight

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    I understand your point. But up here in the Rocky Mtns, we live most of the year below zero. I was a member of a rescue unit for many years. I have seen people survive often when they should have perished.
    In the case of Glass he was actually saved a number of times by other trappers and Indians. He was driven by his hate for Fitzpatrick and Jim Bridger. They were given $80 dollars to stay with him until he died. Now 80 bucks was a damn fortune in those days. They left him taking his rifle and one knife. He had his rifle flints and one knife which aided his survival.
     
  7. therewolf

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    Hey, I'm not disputing the facts.

    Just the over dramatization by Hollywood, they

    went out of their way to show Glass literally surviving

    the impossible, the observation of which, by the uninitiated,

    could very possibly court them to their death. Since

    you have some factual info, do you know, did he have a

    hat, in real life?
     
  8. Cokodwok

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    I think the firearms in The Revenant were well portrayed as period correct (not an expert on those myself, but just my 2 cents), but the firing of them? Not even realistic. No powder in the pan, never saw them charge the pan either. Anyhow, it is a well done movie and a totally awesome real story.
     
  9. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

    I noticed that too, but thought in fast action portrayed they had no time to reload a musket. It had to be done beforehand or after.

    Early in the story, after escaping an Indian raid, Glass was cleaning a loaded (but uncocked) gun. I thought, that's not right. Then realized, all guns had to be loaded ASAP and always ready. How they kept the powder dry and never misfired, I leave it to the experts.
     
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  10. Hunts

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    I like to believe revenged fueled him and thats why his body was able to handle every thing.
     
  11. therewolf

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    One take is that the mythical monster, (Revenant) is an honorable person

    blindsided and murdered by

    sleazy, cowardly, ne'er do-wells for nefarious ends,

    (much as what we see in the current movie) and the

    Revenant is occupied by the soul of the not quite so departed, imbued

    with superhuman willpower and stamina, who won't rest until it has

    exacted justice upon it's killers. Other versions compare it to a Vampire,

    in life a bad person, who returns from the grave, in the evening,

    to sow fear and terror

    amongst former family, friends, & neighbors.

    My point was that this is based upon a true story. Hollywood took

    some grand liberties regarding exposure, nutrition, and hypothermia,

    which, hopefully, won't lead some greenhorns to their doom, by assumption

    that these situations are the norm, and these practices are safe, in the

    northern wilderness ...
     
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  12. Mercator

    Mercator Active Member

    Too many liberties, especially in the end. I thought the real story was more compelling.

    Fitzpatrick escaped and enlisted in the Army. That's where Glass found him. Glass decided not to ruin his life by killing a serviceman. He did get his rifle back though.
     
  13. SRK97

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    Didn't it take place during springtime. I thought I remember him saying that he rolled over a log to let the maggots eat the dead flesh out of his back.
     
  14. Mercator

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    I've heard that too. They wanted winter in the movie.
     
  15. therewolf

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    Talk about Hollywood taking liberties...

    I thought it was a great dramatic performance by

    the entire cast, and a tremendous production,

    overall. Someday I'd love to see the behind the scenes

    and FX of the bear mauling sequence.
     
  16. JTJ

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    I read the story a long time ago and I wont see the movie. Hollywood can ruin a good story.