Turret or Progressive Press?

Discussion in 'Ammunition & Reloading' started by Axxe55, Apr 1, 2012.

  1. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i am wanting to expand my reloading to be able to load more pistol calibers faster than what i can with my single stage press. i would like to hear what are the biggest differences you find between a turret press and a progressive press and what your dislikes and likes are. i would like suggestions for a decent quality press without spending an arm and a leg to buy. i would also like your reasons why you chose the one you have and why you like it and why you would or wouldn't recommend it. hopefully in the next month or so, with your help i will make a choice and buy one. thanks to everyone in advance for your help.
     
  2. Shade

    Shade New Member

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    First always learn reloading with a single stage press first. Seems you have
    done that.

    Progressives will provide you highest production rates without a doubt.
    I can get between 500 round per hour out of my RCBS Piggyback or
    800-1000 rounds an hours with 2 people on my MEC 9000 for 12ga.
    shotshells. BTW, I would not recommend the Piggyback it is not stiff
    enough except for straight walled pistol cases, which works for me.

    Turrets (IMO) are some what faster than batch loading with a single stage.
    The time you save is in case/cartridge handling. Maybe 200-250 rounds an
    hour with a turret. I have not loaded much with a Turret, but can get 150 in
    a good hour out of my single stage with a crimping die step...

    Just my 2 cents.
     

  3. rjd3282

    rjd3282 New Member

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    I have a Dillon Square Deal B that is almost 25 years old and an RL 550B. The Square deal is a great little press but only does pistol ammo. Of the two I like the 550 better it is a lot more substantial. Dillon is a great company to deal with. I know lots of people think Dillon is pricey but I guess it depends on how you look at. It works and there is a great sales and tech staff that are always glad to help. As lot's of folks are fond of saying, you get what you pay for.
     
  4. Shade

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    My next press will be a Dillon 650 for my .223. Buddy has one and I have
    used it, well worth the money, and they are not all that much more.
     
  5. Sport45

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    I use a progressive (Dillon 550b) for my bulk handgun reloading.

    For rifle and magnum handgun I use a turret (Lee Classic or Lyman Spar-T). I don't try to punch those out fast enough to use a turret. Too many steps between stages for that...
     
  6. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    thanks for the input guys, much appreciated. like i said i will be doing some more research and make a decision soon. i am not looking to turn out hundreds and hundreds of rounds, but would like to be able to do it faster than the single stage i have can do now. so turret or progressive?
     
  7. Sport45

    Sport45 New Member

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    Turret.

    More specifically, the Lee Classic Turret and a few extra turrets for it.
     
  8. I have a Dillon XL650 and I load nearly all my handgun and rifle ammo on it. However, it's only convenient and fast AFTER one has developed a load.

    I also have a Dillon AT 500 - a stripped down version of the 550 - and it serves as Dillon's answer to the traditional turret press. It does a pretty good job for small lots, experimental (load development) and precise ammo.
     
  9. Staestc

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    My next setup will be a progressive. I put hornady lock-n-load bushings on all my dies, so swapping dies without adjustments is possible. A turret would make that a bit easier, but not that much I believe. But the sheer speed of a progressive once I have worked up loads I like would be very nice indeed. Of course I have reloaded exactly 40 cartridges on my single stage so far, so what do I know :rolleyes::D
     
  10. billt

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    I run both. 2 Dillon progressives and 2 MEC progressive shotshell reloaders, as well as a Redding Turret Press. If you're looking for speed there is no way a turret will keep up with a progressive, simply because it's physically impossible. A turret is somewhat quicker than a single stage, but it is still quite slow by comparison.

    The reason is strictly mechanical. With a progressive you are performing multiple tasks at the same time on several different cases at once. A turret works much like a single stage in that you are performing one task at a time on one case. Any speed you pick up comes with the ability to select different dies by indexing the turret. That becomes counter productive in a way, because if you are loading on a single stage and you run many cases through one operation, you are eliminating all of the movement required to index the turret for every operation on each case separately.

    I purchased a Turret for my speciality dies. Decapper, ram priming tool, etc. That way I can leave them set up and they are ready when I am. I will sometimes even mount one of my powder measures in it and use it for charging powder if I'm loading several Magnum rifle cases. That way I have a more secure method which eliminates the chance for spilled powder.

    If you do decide on a turret press I recommend the Redding T-7 Turret Press. The main reason is strength. The turret itself is large, and it's supported across a larger footprint. This makes for a much stronger set up all around. I've attached a dial indicator with a magnetic base to it and detected zero spring while full length resizing .460 Weatherby brass. The press itself is all ductile cast iron, not Aluminum. It also has a very good, well engineered priming set up. I will sometimes use it for that also.

    My Progressives are both Dillon's. A Square Deal which I keep set up for .44 Magnum, and an older Dillon RL-450. It has manual priming and powder charging. While not as fast as the current RL-550 or RL-650, I can still maintain a fast production rate. Both of my shotshell presses are MEC's. A 650, and a 8567 Grabber. The 650 doesn't resize, and the 8567 Grabber does with a split collet resizer. I have 2 because both my wife and I shoot Trap. With both of us on 2 progressive presses we can load enough shells for a tournament in less than 2 hours, once we're up and running.

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  11. homelessguy01

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    Nice setup bill they look well used!
     
  12. nastyogre

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    If your looking for faster go with a progressive. Everyone I've talked to loves their dillons. I went with a hornady l&l progressive after using the lee loadmaster for awhile and having terrible luck keeping it running. The hornady is a much better platform and splits the difference between cheap (lee) and the best (dillon). If you go with the turret it's ok to go for a lee classic turret as I have one of those too and it has worked flawlessly. The difference in the two is it takes four pulls of the handle per round on the lee for each round versus one pull for each one the progressive once it's going. Effectively four times as fast for pistol rounds. I haven't used the rcbs progressive but I've heard good things about those as well. Work up your loads on the single you have now and get a quality progressive, you won't be sorry you spent the extra cash down the road. :)

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  13. Shade

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    Nice little "shack" you have there.
     
  14. nastyogre

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    Why thank you. It keeps me busy on the rainy days. :)
     
  15. Durangokid

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    The Dillons are great life long loading machines. The Dillon company is the best . They back their products better than any other I have bought from.;)
     
  16. budman46

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    axxe55,

    progressives are fast and produce accurate loads..competitors need progressives.

    when i need lots of a single caliber, i use a dillon 550 or a square deal b., but most of my loading is 40 of this or 50 of that which is best handled by my lee classic cast turret press. with 25+ die sets in turrets stored in 13 oz coffee cans that can be swapped out in a few seconds, it's more flexible for short runs.

    i won't get rid of my dillons, but my lee gets the most use by far.
     
  17. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    thanks guys for the input and your suggestions. maybe i need to get a turret press and a progressive!:D but seriously, thanks and i just need to start doing some pricing. right now i am leaning towards the Dillon as i have heard about their quality, but also have heard they weren't cheap either.