True story

Discussion in 'Concealed Carrying & Personal Protection' started by txpossum, Apr 28, 2013.

  1. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    A friend of mine who has a CCL had an occasion to pull his weapon a few weeks ago, when he was accosted by two individuals whom he knew meant him harm. It was a choice of pulling his weapon or taking a beating. My friend didn't feel like a trip to the hospital that day.

    Usually he carries a 1911 or, lately, a Glock in either a inside the waistband holster, or occasionally, a shoulder holster. This day, however, he just stuck a snub-nosed Ruger SP 101 in the inside pocket of his vest (he was on his motorcycle).

    When the moment came that he realized pulling the firearm was warranted, he almost didn't clear the gun in time. The revolver hung up in the pocket, and he had to work to clear it. Fortunately he was able to free it in time; everybody walked away, and nobody got hurt.

    I've done the same thing as my buddy -- just stuck the gun somewhere on me, assuming that having it was enoungh without enough consideration about how quickly and smoothly I could draw it. I think we're both going to put more thought into carrying with proper holsters these days.
     
  2. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    your description of the incident is pretty vague, what happened for him to unholster his sidearm? there needs to be more to it than just being approached by two individuals.
     

  3. BeyondTheBox

    BeyondTheBox New Member

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    Yeah, I too have recently found value in holsters, whereas before I didn't care much for, nor saw point in their use for pocket carry. Now I see how they position the gun for a cleaner draw and the importance of that is not easily missed.

    Glad your friend is good and safe and smart. I always worry about pulling a gun on unarmed attackers being misconstrued as escalation of the situation, but when it's multiple attackers I think it's more than understandable and reasonable.
     
  4. MrWray

    MrWray New Member

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    i guess that i missed the point of the story,my bad.

    yes, carrying a firearm without a holster can cause problems if the need arises to use it. i myself wont go without a holster
     
  5. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    Yeah, I was deliberately vauge about the details -- not my story to make public.
     
  6. Tackleberry1

    Tackleberry1 New Member

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    This is why I do NOT pocket carry.

    Easy enough to slip an open hand into or out of a pocket but slip you open hand into "any" pocket... Now, make a fist and try to remove your hand?

    Does not work very well does it?

    An effective carry method is one that allows you to properly grip, draw, and fire, in that order...and pocket carry just does not do that.

    I much prefer the belly band for this reason. No different than drawing from an ITP but much more comfortable and with the right "size" pistol, it's just as concealable as pocket carry.

    Tack
     
  7. Chainfire

    Chainfire Well-Known Member Supporter

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    If someone, or a couple of someones, intend to just whip your butt, and you draw down on them, that would be a crime where I live.

    The test for drawing is the same test for shooting. Reasonable fear of death, or serious bodily injury of yourself or someone else. A simple butt-whoopin, would not meet that criteria.

    Reasonable may well be decided by a jury. Some jurors don't like guns.......
     
  8. rickster

    rickster New Member

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    Let's just be glad he is OK. It also makes a statement as to how important it is to make sure we are carrying the right weapon in the right way.
     
  9. hardluk1

    hardluk1 Active Member

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    That story show a prime reason to not carry handguns that you are not practice well enought with or of different design. Even how you carry. If he had a baby glock he probably could have carried IWB or pick another handgun line if he needed a large, medium and small handgun it to one design. Let it be all glock, xd's, m&p or kahrs . They can cover all size's.
     
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    nixfix New Member

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    This story exemplifies the need for multiple self defense options. Carrying less lethal and non lethal tools is important and training in basic self defense (hand to hand) should be mandatory for any concealed carry license holder. Killing someone who means to whoop your butt is neither appropriate, justified, or legal (in most jurisdictions).
     
  11. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    My friend does hold a 3rd degree black belt, but he is also now 61 years old and 50 pounds overweight. His opponents were half his age, members of a criminal gang, and were known to carry weapons. Considering the background facts (which I know I have not included) there is every reason to believe that serious bodily injury would have occurred. This person is also an attorney, well versed in criminal law. He understands the law regarding self defense.

    He is also an ex-marine, and has been shooting for 40 years, and is one of the best shots I know. He just got careless that day. That is the point of this thread.

    A fight is one thing . . . a beating is another. Like my buddy, I'm not taking a whuppin that will put me in the hospital , or, if it went wrong, in the ground.
     
  12. towboater

    towboater Well-Known Member

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    People have been killed getting a butt whoopin.
     
  13. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    I wonder, could he have Bidened them with the little revolver still in the pocket? (popped off a warning shot)

    That would have looked pretty nuts ("get back my vest is loaded") and probably drawn some police attention in a non-positive way.
     
  14. Rick1967

    Rick1967 Well-Known Member

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    I have no problem with the guy drawing. I am not going to wait until I am unconcious on the ground to draw my weapon. Serious bodily injury is reason enough for me. I would rather go to court than the hospital any day.

    My question is with the weapon itself. I carry a couple of different guns in my pocket, but in a pocket holster to protect the trigger. The revolver he was carrying...did it have an exposed hammer on it? That is the main reason people have a problem drawing a revolver from a pocket. My J-frame has a concealed hammer so that it cannot snag on a pocket. A lot of people have had their hammer bobbed to avoid snagging. But I would still use a pocket holter.
     
  15. txpossum

    txpossum New Member

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    As a matter of fact . . .
     
  16. txpossum

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    Yup, it had an exposed hammer, and that was part of the problem. As stated, this was not his usual carry gun; but he got in a hurry and just picked up the snubbie, threw it in his inside vest pocket, and went. He has holsters for it, and for his other guns (he has one custom made shoulder holster for a Ruger .45LC single action, with an additional small holster on the shoulder strap for a American Derringer in .45/.410 that I drool over, but that's another story).
     
  17. Tackleberry1

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    Some folks "nixfix & Chainfire" need to look up the definition of "serious bodily injury"... and if you don't think 1 grown man, let alone 3, are capable of achieving this threshold then I suggest you review FBI death statistics for "hands and feet".

    Tack
     
  18. BeyondTheBox

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    Your definition of serious bodily harm and mine are completely different then. A butt whopping from 2 people is serious bodily harm to me and any logical thinking person I could imagine or know.
     
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  19. rocshaman

    rocshaman New Member

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    No I'm sure Chainfire and nixfix, if they had a gun on them, would just stand there and let the hoods beat the crap out of them. Maybe do a little karate or tae kwando to save their asses. You got a gun on you, the hoods are gonna whup you, take your gun and maybe shoot you with it. Nothing more fun than getting shot by your own gun. :rolleyes:
     
  20. MrWray

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    there is always a firearm involved in EVERY altercation


    YOURS!!!


    you only have a split second to make a decision, you do not have the time to debate or second guess yourself.