Trigger suggestions.

Discussion in 'General Rifle Discussion' started by LastManStanding, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. LastManStanding

    LastManStanding New Member

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    I own Savage 30-.06 bolt-action rifle. I bought this rifle prior to Savage developing and releasing their 2-stage trigger, the AccuTrigger, that now comes standard with their rifles. The trigger that came with my rifle is rather rigid, so much to the point that is effects precision. I know that for sure I want a two-stage trigger for my rifle, but I was wondering if I should go for the AccuTrigger. If you know of a better trigger setup, please let me know. Thanks.
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Don't know if I have seen you around previously, so Welcome to the Forum.

    As for triggers, it's one of the key, essential components to an accurate rifle platform.

    If you don't want to take your rifle into a qualified 'smith and have then do up a trigger job for you, here are a couple of choices that are easy to adjust and are drop in for most rifles.

    Rifle Basix is a current favorite around the shop. I have two of them and love them. Great company. Good customer service and a really good product. Good price for most applications.

    Timney makes really good triggers as well, especially for field guns. They are a little more pricey than the Rifle Basix stuff, but Timney has a good name in the industry and their triggers can be tuned up sweet.

    Jewell makes a great trigger that everyone goes ga-ga over, but it's not a field trigger. It's a delicate benchrest style trigger and it's one hell of a trigger at that. Can be easily tuned down to 2 ounces without much effort - but again, not what I would recommend on a field gun.

    Hope that helps -

    JD
     

  3. LastManStanding

    LastManStanding New Member

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    Thanks for the suggestions and the links. Is there any advantage to having a qualified gunsmith do a trigger job versus simply buying a drop-in system?
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Since I work part time in a gun shop, I am forced to tell you yes... LOL

    Honestly, it depends on what you are after for performance. With a quality 'smith, they can make subtle changes to a stock trigger and get you down to a real good weight without having to poney up for a new, fancy trigger.

    I assume this is a hunting gun? So, you are looking to go somewhere in the neighborhood of 4-5#? Maybe a little heavier if you are hiking in?

    That kind of trigger pull is totally do able with a stock trigger, but you have to pay shop time. The benefit of a good shop trigger is: You should get a 5 pull average on a trigger pull guage that is within the spec you are looking for. You also get a safety test that someone else is insuring you that it won't go bang when you don't want it too. Very important if you have never done this sort of thing before. So, you have that going for you.

    However, a trigger job isn't rocket science. Most have two or three levers that interact. Remove a little material here, a little there, add a little "secret" grease like solution and suddenly your trigger creep is gone and you have a nice, smooth trigger pull. You can safety check it yourself easy enough, and if you have a string/some fishing line and a couple of small, known weight sources, you can "make" a trigger pull "guage" without having to buy one.

    Or, you buy one that is pre-tuned, drop it in, safety check it and be on your way. It all depends on what you are after.

    In my opinion, based on what I have seen come through the shop in the better part of four years.

    For a Benchrest gun - you need a Benchrest quality trigger. Preferably the best one you can get sense you are talking the utmost in accuracy. 2 ounces, possibly even with an electronic fire system so you don't have to touch the gun and risk a "flyer".

    For a Sniper Rifle ( police / military ) - Yes, you need a good quality drop in trigger that can be tuned to your specs since you might only get that one shot.

    For a civilian "tactical" rifle - A factory tuned trigger is fine, as is a drop in aftermarket.

    For a hunting rifle - A tuned trigger is plenty good enough for field work.

    But, that is based on what we see in the shop here. You mileage may vary.

    JD
     
  5. Txhillbilly

    Txhillbilly Active Member

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    LastMan,If you want an Accutrigger,call Kevin at Stockade Guns 308-432-5114. He will install a Accutrigger on a pre-Accutrigger gun for $50 and that includes the trigger. It is a deal that is hard to beat.
     
  6. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    For a field rifle I would go with a Timney I have one on my Remington 700 (Dillingers favorite rifle) and it is tuned down to 1.5#.

    I am an odd person I will carry a rifle with a 2oz trigger in the field. that is just me. But many people are uncomfortable doing that and that is good. 2.5 to 3# is what I see a lot of guys running on hunting rigs.

    So why waste the money on a Jewell if you are not going to use it all. Timney is #2 in my book then Rifle Basic then Shilen.

    The Accutrigger is suposted to be a great trigger. I would look around and see if you see any for sale.
     
  7. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Yeah, but you have to admit Tango, you have been around that rifle platform A LOT longer than a lot of these guys. Carrying a 2 ounce trigger in the field is common for you, but not RECOMMENDED for the average hunter who gets in the field twice a year ( once to zero and once to hunt ).

    And a Remington? Ah geez - there goes the neighborhood....:D:rolleyes:

    JD
     
  8. cpttango30

    cpttango30 New Member

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    My one remington cannot go below 3# or else it is unsafe to load a round in the chamber as it may go off on closing the bolt.
     
  9. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Really? I honestly have never heard that before. You have the tuned Timney trigger in there, right?

    Did you do the safety change out as well? I think with the Model 70 style safety you can take the bolt apart and get to the firing lin from from "neutral" but safe. That might make a difference....

    Just thinking....

    JD
     
  10. stalkingbear

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    It's almost ridiculously easy to adjust/tune the factory trigger on Savage-same as Remington (even down to 1.5#-2# if so inclined) IF you know what you are doing. If you are fairly mechically inclined and decide to tackle the job yourself, pm or email me and I'll be glad to walk you thru it. Remember-no matter wether you adjust/tune factory trigger, or buy/install an aftermarket trigger-ALWAYS perform tests after ANY type of modfication to insure it's still safe (naturally an 2 oz trigger is going to fail these tests). Perform all following tests with completely EMPTY rifle.

    Smack buttplate down against carpeted floor several times with action cocked but off safe.

    pull trigger several times hard with action cocked and safety on, then move safety off.

    Operate bolt fast and hard, slamming bolt into battery while off safe.

    Smack side of stock at area of trigger with heel of hand several times with action cocked but safety off.

    If striker releases (fires on empty chamber) AT ALL-EVEN 1 TIME-with any above tests, it's unsafe and needs to be adjusted for more sear engagement. meaning deeper engagement between trigger/sear, or sear/striker.
    Or increased pull weight. This may include sear or trigger return spring.

    Also I honestly believe you'd like an properly tuned/adjusted single stage trigger than an 2 stage trigger. "standard" single stage triggers have much less movement than 2 stage triggers do.
     
    Last edited: Dec 26, 2008
  11. stalkingbear

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    Not trying to sound like a know-it-all but I've worked on a truckload of Remington model 700s and have NEVER ran into that problem. Where did you get that info? My big flag goes up when I hear of rifles going off upon closing bolt. That means it was made UNSAFE-and actually has less to do with the weight of pull than is commonly believed. If an rifle goes off on closing the bolt, Remington 700 included, it's because of: too weak sear spring, too little sear amount of engagement, wrong angle of engagement, weak trigger spring, or butchered striker itself. Naturally in today's laywer filled world, disclaimers are more common than fleas on an ol hound dog, but that doesn't relfect the basic design's ability. In fact, there's a few aftermarket triggers
    modeled closely to the 700 trigger, and they are reccomended for less weight than their factory counterpart. Personally I like reworking factory triggers when possible unless an radically different trigger is requested.