Trespassing in a SHTF scenario

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by Mosin, May 1, 2012.

  1. Mosin

    Mosin Well-Known Member

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    Okay, so S has HTF. You need supplies. You decide to explore some abandoned dwellings. Of course you're armed (well, presumably), so you look like a threat. Is there a way to convey to people that you're there peacefully? Do you arrive on the property with a white flag? Now you're ASSuming it's abandoned. But maybe the residents fostered that look to discourage looters. When you enter the house, do you call out your intentions? Offer assurance that you mean no harm and will leave if occupied? Or do you want to remain quiet and not call attention to yourself? Likewise, what about when others come to your property? Would you blast at anything rummaging through your kitchen, or would you announce your presence? I can see a lot of unneeded incidents because of this. Should us 'good folk' have a code or a signal for this?
     
  2. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    My take on it you are entering the residence to take their supplies. You are either a threat or one more unwanted mouth to feed.
    If they haven't made it clear that you are welcome you shouldn't be there.

    You come to my property you had better be one of the Victoria secrets models or I'm gonna take your head off and scavenge what you have.
     

  3. UrbanNinja

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    You're forgetting one thing. "Misdirection".
    What if this "Victoria secret model" is just using her looks to have you drop your guard.

    I think it would be best to have her comply with a strip search and pat down before entering your property. :D
     
  4. mountainman13

    mountainman13 New Member

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    I thought that went without stating. ;) lol
     
  5. Mosin

    Mosin Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, but what if the person scavenging is a good guy. Someone you would want around. Say you needed some supplies and came to my place. Why would I just blast you away when you have the potential to be a good ally? What if you had goods I might want not on you? I'm just saying it might be a good idea to develop a report with people. You could be burning an important bridge.
     
  6. mountainman13

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    You have a great point there. The thing is in this society most people would just as soon step on you as help you. In a shtf scenario where people are panicked and in survival mode its much more likely they will be a threat to you and yours. I will have a group of people that I trust and can rely on. Beyond them everyone is a threat in my opinion.

    Even a white flag can be an offensive move.
     
  7. AZL

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    If things have gone THAT badly where armed people are out scavenging...then you would have to assume that ANYONE "in your kitchen" is a threat.

    You would also have to assume that an armed person (even if it was me) that you don't know is a threat, and must be treated accordingly. It MAY be Mother Theresa with an M4...but Momma T...if you're in my kitchen uninvited...you're a bullet catcher.

    How did they get INTO your kitchen anyway? That is the bigger question, because there was a SERIOUS breakdown in your planning or security IF they got that far alive.

    If they have reached that far into your perimeter....have they left someone on your "team" so-to-speak...dead in their wake?

    Too many variables...and truthfully...post SHTF is NOT the time to try to learn to trust someone you don't know.

    JMHO...but let's all save time, and assume I am right.
     
  8. Mosin

    Mosin Well-Known Member

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    See I'm thinking about myself for this example. I would be a great asset in this situation, but what if I went a mile down the road to my neighbors house and they shot me thinking I was a threat? Bad for me AND them, because I really could've helped if they just talked to me. So I'm thinking the same applies to others. What if you just up and shoot a guy looking for say, ammunition, and he ends up being a doctor, or someone with something you could've used, never know. City people are generally worthless and probably don't have much to offer, but out in the country, most people are going to have valuable skills and resources.
     
  9. AZL

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    In that particular situation...one might think again....planning was the beginning of the failure. You should foster a relationship BEFORE the SHHTF. I am not sure the whole "secret handshake" thing will be all that effective...nor will a flag...who'se to say some scumbag, assuming YOU have supplies won't be watching you and kill you, take your flag (you see where this is going).

    Quite possibly...old fashioned CB's and handhelds between you and your neighbors (you can even broach the subject with...hey, in case of emergency rather than...IF THE ZOMBIES ATTACK)...use this to call me and vice versa.

    As far as a "code word" decided upon via the idiotnet...well...lemme just say THAT will be about as secure as a hooker's snatch.

    A nation-wide, or state-wide group of like minded prepper tactical teams (THAT just made me laugh), likewise isn't very likely.

    If you want to foster good relationships...get off your ass, off the computer, and go meet people. I know all my neighbors. I know who I "believe" I can trust, I have identified the douchebags who will be....unwelcome...and dealt with if neccessary, I have even identified the old folks who will probably need help. If something does jump off, I won't be making new friends.
     
  10. Tackleberry1

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    This is why any reasonable plan already involves others. My circle consists of Familly men that I've befriended and helped to train over the years. Being the only Vet makes me the default leader and I've chosen 2 additional families because 1 brings an RN 30 years of trauma experience and the other brings avid outdoor survival skills.

    All have children within appropriate ages for future marriages and all "except the RN" are well armed, well supplied, and know how to shoot and follow instructions.

    Survival, to me, is about ensuring your children go on. Thier safety will require the proverbial village. A large group with share values and beliefs will stand a much better chance of survival that an individual or a single Familly.

    Oh...and if your not already in my group, your a threat whether you think your a good guy or not. Sorry but I've got too many females to protect and after food, women of breeding age will be the most sought after commodity.

    Tack
     
  11. purehavoc

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    If this situation was to happen , you didnt prepare well enough , and you are considered a looter/ thief in my book . nothing against you but you werent prepared for a SHTF situation and are rummaging / pilfering others good .Im not giving up my goods, my castle and Im not prepaired to have another mouth to feed if you werent invited ,wether you have a gun / skills or not .
    When I need someone with skills I dont have I will be looking for those people not looting others good
     
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  12. orangello

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    I would be expecting to take fire while looting and would fire on looters, particularly bears.
     
  13. PanBaccha

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    I would think that common sense should prevail in matters described above.
     
  14. Sniper03

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    Since very few would have the least real idea of what SHTF would be like! For those of us who have had the unfortunate experience in life of a full blown riot situations and serious threats realize the irrational logic of those caught up in the moment which includes unbelievable actions of threats, aggression and destruction. This would dictate my thoughts concerning (SHTF) people showing up uninvited and coming on the property in the hills here in Tennessee. That is that anyone that was not personaly invited to be there or presently residing with the group would be a threat to my family the group our food and supplies as well as weapons and ammunition. And if they did not leave upon command action would be taken. I would not fall subject to being conned into the pretense they were there only for peaceful reasons! NOT!
    To allow otherwise would and could be a serious gamble. Keep in mind even with people you would be familiar with have the strong desire to survive no matter what the cost. If they would fail to leave or confront the group they would be fired upon. It would be their choice of the results.
    "Just remember these people will be irrational!" So do not be deceived!

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  15. Chainfire

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    You don't have to wait for SHFT. If I see someone sneaking around my property visibly armed they ain't gonna get the howdy-doody welcome. I might give someone the option of disarming and facing felony arrest, or I might not.

    Where I live, the NO Trespassing signs mean just what they say.
     
  16. Sniper03

    Sniper03 Supporting Member Supporter

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    Chainfire,

    That goes for me also!

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  17. KalashnikovBlood

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    If you trespass and I see you, you're dead plain and simple. The picture below is of the signs I have posted all over my property

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    Have a nice day and remember Kill Them All and Let God Sort Them Out.

    Spetsnaz for Life
     
  18. TLuker

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    I hear what you're saying but I don't have any answers. The overwhelming majority of people are good people and its a shame that so many assume otherwise.
     
  19. c3shooter

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    Long before you have reached the "rummaging thru the kitchen" mode, we would have communicated.

    Definition of communicated is a very broad one.
     
  20. JTJ

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    In the old west a rider approaching a house stayed mounted and called out to announce his arrival. Sneak in and you are fair game.