Transfer from a non licensee to a ffl through mail

Discussion in 'NFA/Class 3 & FFL Discussion' started by cmhill, May 4, 2012.

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  1. cmhill

    cmhill New Member

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    Question / survey. I know it is legal for a non-licensee to ship a firearm to a licensed dealer via contract carrier for a transfer but how many of you guys will accept this form of transfer from a non licensed individual? it has been our policy in the past and currently to only accept transfers from licensed dealers.
     
  2. cmhill

    cmhill New Member

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    please answer poll and discuss further
     

  3. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    it is legal for a ffl to accept a gun coming from a nonlicensed person as in long guns shipped by us post office to transfer to another non licensed individual.

    handguns must be shipped next day insured by fedex etc not by uspost office by a nonlicensed person.

    thats how things like guns america gun broker ebay deal in firearms.

    if im understanding the question your asking.

    fyi im not a ffl holder but i buy a lot of guns
     
  4. cmhill

    cmhill New Member

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    thanks for your input I was more directing it to ffl dealers as I am one. more or less a poll to see how others handled this situation. I have a store as well as do sales on gunbroker and guns america I have only had 2 individuals try to mail/transfer a firearm to me that were unlicensed one of which was yesterday and raised quite a stink when i made him aware of our stores policy that it must come from an ffl dealer. Reason being I can not confirm that the individual that actually packaged and shipped the firearm was the actual owner or if they are infact the actual person of whoms ID was sent with the firearm to show where it came from. Also by goind through a dealer I would expect the shipping dealer to check serial numbers before taking it into his custody and shipping which would prevent me from recieving a stolen/wanted firearm and having to explain the the customer why they can not take posession of it and how they will have to go after the seller for their money.
     
  5. orangello

    orangello New Member

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    If you don't want to do such business, simply disclose that policy in no uncertain terms. The unwanted business will go elsewhere, some of it legitimate while some of it may not be. That only seems fair.
     
  6. FFL01user

    FFL01user New Member

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    I also will not accept shipments from non licensees. If the person doesn't like it, oh well. They can take their business elsewhere and I'm fine with that. I don't care about missing out on making a few bucks, it's not worth it to me as you just don't know who you're dealing with. Receiving from FFL's only keeps things much "cleaner" and maintains a traceable chain of custody.
     
  7. Jpyle

    Jpyle New Member

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    I am not a FFL but have on occassion sold guns to individuals out of state. In all cases I used an FFL to FFL transfer. To me the peace of mind and the paper trail were worth the fees. Actually the fees were offset by the cheaper shipping methods a FFL has available. So no, I would not consider your policy as overly b urdensome or extraordinary.
     
  8. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Not a Dealer, am an 03 FFL- a collector- licensed since 1976. I have purchased firearms from private individuals (non-licensed persons) and I have to maintain a bound book of acquisitions and dispositions, same as an 01. I DO require that the seller provide me with a copy of his Driver's License- and that name and address had better match up to who I am making payment to- and that is the name and address that goes in my bound book.

    If you chose not to accept a firearm from a non-licensed person, that is your prerogative. However, requiring that the seller involve a FFL on THEIR end as well as you on the receiving end DOES significantly increase the cost of the transaction. In SOME areas, a Dealer charges $150 per gun for that service. When you add shipping, and fees by the receiving FFL, for a $200 Mossberg target .22 ..........

    I have had 01's that did not want to accept an 03 for a firearm that was, without question, a C&R- or simply did not know WHAT an 03 FFL or a C&R WAS. Again, their call- it is their license on the line. I will thank them for their time, and go shop elsewhere.

    As far the sending FFL checking serial numbers- depends on where you are. It is required in some areas. It is not available in many areas- no access to NCIC for persons not LEOs.
     
    Last edited: May 4, 2012
  9. Axxe55

    Axxe55 The Apocalypse Is Coming.....

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    i am not an FFL holder either, but i see why you have the policy you do and personally i see no problem with it. as long as you are upfront and clear as to what your policy is, then if they get upset about it, oh well. tough. one reason when someone asks me about selling a firearm, i tell them to go through an FFL holder. in the state of Texas, you can do face to face private sales, but i personally will only do such deals with very close friends or family. going through an FFL is a small price for peace of mind.
     
  10. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I advise the sender to go through an FFL if possible.

    But I would not turn down a transfer.
     
  11. barneygoogle

    barneygoogle New Member

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    I see you're from Ga. , me too. Legally you can ship a long gun USPS as long as the drivers license is shown to the postal service and you fill out a simple form that you are shipping it to an ffl or not. As C3Shooter stated, your license and addy must match. Even if the sender is a ffl holder you don't know if the gun is stolen or not. If you are a dealer and buy a gun from an individual, all you do is look at their license and hold the gun for one week before you can sell it. The police do not check the weapon as soon as you send the info in. It might be month"s before they look at it. So what difference does it make if you buy a gun from a ffl or not. Either way,if it's stolen you or ever who ends up with the gun will have to return it. When you sell a weapon out of your store, you have to keep the form for 20 years and the info you called in is not even kept.
    But the final decision is up to you. My partner is a ffl and class 3 holder, so it really doesn't bother us because we are not doing anything illegal.
     
  12. wjnfirearms

    wjnfirearms New Member

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    I have not had it come up...yet. I do see the risk, but as it goes, being there is no way for most dealers to check serial numbers, there's no real liability on the FFLs end of things. From an ethical standpoint, it's another matter. Truthfully, I'm a bit undecided on whether I will accept shipments from non licensees or not. I have no set policy...yet. I guess I better make up my mind before it does become an issue. It's bound to sooner or later.
     
  13. cmhill

    cmhill New Member

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    It is our policy and the policy of several other dealers i converse with to call in the serial numbers before purchaseing a used gun to the local s/o or P.D they then run the numbers INSTANTLY.
     
  14. barneygoogle

    barneygoogle New Member

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    We do but they sure don't check them instantly. They come in to the shop about every day and they'll tell you they don't have time to do it every day unless one is reported
    We charge $20. and make hundreds every day off repeat cutomers.:D