Training Warriors For EOTW? Really? I mean...REALLY?

Discussion in 'Survival & Sustenance Living Forum' started by AZL, May 15, 2012.

  1. AZL

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    I have discovered, through the years that I can find humor in just about any situation. I think, with the exception of anything happening to me daughter….I c an find a reason to laugh at just about anything.

    One of the things that make me chuckle most often, and with regularity is when some 350lb mullet in skin-tight 5:11 britches (because they don’t make them big enough to fit his fat ass correctly) starts a conversation at Sportsmans Warehouse, Cabelas, or Bass Pro with: “Tactically Speaking…..blah blah blah”…or “When I was with The Teams…”

    Let’s face it chubby…the ONLY team you were ever a member of was the “competitive hot dog eating team”, and owning a weapon only makes you about as tactical as a baby’s sippy cup. Because let’s face it…if you don’t have the discipline to force your fat ass away from the buffet table, you damned sure don’t have the discipline for real tactical training and all the hard work it entails.

    Something else that makes me chuckle is all the bluster about forming paramilitary groups and “training” operators for EOTW or SHTF. I don’t know precisely if it is the ego of the guy thinking he possesses the actual skills and knowledge to actually train the aforementioned operators, or if it is a decidedly unhealthy case of delusional thinking and fantasy. In either case…it makes me chuckle.

    There is a large group who can’t even define what training is, and how it differs from practice, and how BOTH differ from dirt shooting, or popping caps into paper targets on a square range, and that the same group considers dirt shooting and paper punching with training.

    “I was in the military”. Super. Good for you. Thank you for your service, and I mean that very sincerely. BUT…unless YOU were actually part of a combat arms team who has had your ass in the grass, and whose responsibilities actually included passing on those skills and knowledge at a high level of competency…your skills at driving a truck, or operating a computer make you about as well qualified to train, let alone lead a paramilitary group as a plumber teaching a retard how do brain surgery.

    The rules of engagement alone will be different. You will be trying to fight in an unfamiliar arena…whether or not you know the area you are in…you may ONLY know how to fight a specific minded enemy. You may have ZERO experience in urban, suburban, or even rural techniques. No matter what happens…you better expect to have to answer for your actions at some point down the road. You may never have to…but it would be unwise NOT to plan for it. The ability to follow orders of a senior NCO or officer does NOT give you the qualifications, skills, and abilities necessary to formulate plans, and train others to follow you.

    Being a member of the “best trained, most well supplied” military in the world does NOT give you the ability to effectively grow crops, forage for food, be a hunter of the caliber you would need to be to feed a large group. After all…how many others will be out there hunting to try to feed their groups? How long will it be before you are shooting at one another over what you think is a good hunting area? Will you be able then, to hunt effectively worrying about the very real possibility that another guy who is better than you with a rifle, won’t pop YOU in the skull and take your game? Or maybe a group won’t wait UNTIL you have made a kill, and simply take it from you.

    Now you will protest that YOU will hunt in a group and security will be provided that way. Okay…let’s look at that for a second. How in the name of hell are you going to keep the group quiet and still enough to make a successful hunt?

    A better plan will be raising chickens, rabbits, DOGS, pigs, and goats for food. BUT…that goes back to how in the hell are you going to grow enough food for “the group” AND the animals? A skilled farmer would be able to do it…with a tractor and modern equipment…and enough land…and enough people to defend it. BUT…would that skilled farmer, using only animal and manual labor be able to feed the group of defenders too? So, unless you recruit some Amish or Mennonites who are willing to work for the “English” who happen to be armed and that goes against their beliefs….where will you find THAT skill set? Force them to work as slave labor?

    Well…we’ll store food! How long is that going to last? Do you have the financial resources RIGHT now to fund and finance it? What happens when your stored food runs low, and you have to decide who goes hungry and who eats? What happens when your group rebels, and fighting begins, and all of a sudden the factions break apart, and some of your group are left with nothing?

    So, let us assume you have got a gaggle of “warriors” together. Now your food is gone. You start to prey on those around you. Even if you last a while and make a few successful raids…and that really means 4:1 ratio of attackers on a defended position with determined defenders. How long will it be until your numbers are narrowed down to the point where you are no longer effective as a “combat unit”?

    Unless you have the leadership skills, and charisma to unify a whole town or community under your “command”…it just doesn’t make sense. Remember, in a small town or community, local cops will still be there defending the town, and with them will be a large population of people who are working WITH them. A “paramilitary” group of outsiders won’t be welcomed with open arms. In the town where I live we have the sheriff’s office, local PD, and tens of hundreds of corrections and detention officers who are all trained in the use of firearms and know how to work together and take orders. We also have FIVE private prison complexes in addition to the state facilities with hundreds of security personnel. Could even a hundred so-called “warriors” or “fighters” or delusional wannabes have any hope of prevailing against those kinds of numbers?

    “But we plan to be totally self-sufficient!” Okay…let me know how that works out for you.

    I have said it before, and I will say it again….unless it is a meteor crashing on the planet and ending us all ala the dinosaurs, I don’t believe in a man-made EOTW event. IF it does happen….the population will be so reduced that MAYBE just MAYBE you will have survived long enough to be one of the last people standing…but I don’t see that as making much sense.
    So, what will it be? Financial? Doubt it. We still have all the nukes, and we still have the ability to tell the rest of the world to **** all the way off. Bird flu? Maybe. See EOTW above.

    The most likely SHTF scenario will be a social disruption, lasting a few weeks to a few months, and if you are prepared to bug in, keep a low profile, and repel boarders as part of a family unit, or association of neighbors…you will have the best chance of weathering it out. Still….whatever happens in that scenario, you better damned well better be able to justify everything you did.

    I know the zombie apocalypse will be a hoot. A vacation. Whatever…but it is really not much more than a masturbatory fantasy for the old “Dungeons and Dragons” fans, and guys who SO badly want to be high speed low drag bad asses, but can’t even manage to be a low speed high drag fat asses.

    But hey…everyone needs a hobby.

    Before anyone mentiones it: Yes, I am an *******, and I am well aware of it...but I am a realistic *******...so, flame away.

    Have a nice day, and thanks for your support.
     
  2. mountainman13

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    Why didn't you say hello to me in cabela's? You were clearly standing right behind me. Lol
     

  3. AZL

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    If you were at the Cabela's I go to in Glendale, AZ...then you will know why. There is a little blondini who works there named Megan...and my full and undivided attention would have been on HER.

    The running joke with my wife is that I am going to trade her in for Megan in a couple of years...to which my wife says "Go ahead".

    LOL.

    My wife is 10 years younger than me, and I am guessing Megan is 10 years younger than my wife. Younger gals look good...but past that...they are hard to listen to without going to that room in the back of your head where you drink beer and shoot pool.
     
  4. mountainman13

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    Lmfao. My girl is 9 years younger than me. I know exactly what your sayin.
     
  5. AZL

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    I have been married for 11 years. It works. My wife knows I am a faithful old hound dog. I will bark, howl, and lift my leg...but I stay on my own porch. Probably a good thing...she's a currently serving officer, and would have NO qualms about shooting me for being stupid! Besides which...it's a whole lot easier to keep your side of the street clean.
     
  6. rifleman1

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    thats a good read pretty funny stuff.
     
  7. canebrake

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    AZL, you feel better?

    That keyboard kamando must have really pizzed you off!

    Your rant sounded a lot like mine a few months ago. I got all wound up and just needed to vent. Not quite as eloquently as you but yes, I did feel better after verbally abusing my offenders.

    You made several good points and its obvious a lot of thought went into your diatribe. For that I compliment you.

    The sad thing is that half the readers (those that read it in its entirety) won't get the gist much less the warning.

    Come the reckoning, I would hope to find you or someone of your ilk in my compound.
     
  8. TrueNorth

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    I will most likely end up quoting you in the near future.... repeatedly. Well written and truthful - I have always had the same thoughts when I see "preppers" who have insanely unrealistic plans, or fantasies about the EOTW.

    Luckily at my whopping weight of a buck 20 - I cannot be considered a fatass, meaning by default that I am a badass zombie slayer!

    In any case, I guess there's not much to add to what you say. Training and practicing and preparations are quite serious, and most people who claim that that's what they're doing are probably are just showing off, or don't know what they're doing. Either take normal, basic precautions and don't brag about yourself, or go family commando - in which case, you'd be smart enough not to talk about it and attract attention.

    Either way, don't brag about your preps - it can expose you to ridicule from the better prepared, or risk from the unprepared.

    + 1 on being able to explain your actions. While we may very well have a true EOTW event, people and nations will almost certainly recover from any disaster that is likely to occur. Small disasters and accidents (earthquakes, floods, power outages) happen all the time, and are usually dealt with within days, or even hours.

    Don't eat your neighbors.
     
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  9. mcb

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    AZL you just described my neighbor. 350 lbs of wanna be tough guy. I live in a rural area its not uncommon to see him out by the woods running a tacticool assault drill on watermelons.

    What makes him so funny is he believes his own BS. He needs a girlfriend, he's probably 30 and still lives in an apartment above his parents garage.
     
  10. HockaLouis

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    Cane, you are correct (except that there won't be alot of need for people with the skill to buy jelly-donuts, give out speeding tickets, or trying to turn lesbians at MY compound). I bailed after I learned that AZL is apparently a pirate (argh!), that there is no limit to the length of a ranting post, and that the system doesn't edit incomplete sentences.

    I did sense the very odd misunderstanding and misplaced disdain for planning, preparing and practicing (on a preparedness forum no less) which is especially ironic from a 20-year-and-out cop, though not surprising -- it is more "us vs. them." Another byproduct of the public-sector unions with a GED who think they own civillians. Those whose doors an AZL will obviously be trying to kick down for one reason or another in desparate times.

    Heads up AZL: civilians are seven times more likely to hit their target in a shooting incident. Bad ex and butch cops? You might wanna rethink this...
     
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  11. Birchhatchery

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    Love it i second this:D Thumbs UP~!
     
  12. AZL

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    Bah...they will find your rotting corpse huddled under your computer desk with a prolapsed rectum, and stretch marks around your mouth...but hey...at least you will have gone out doing something you enjoy.

    The funny thing is...and I mean the real hoot...is you STILL wish you could have MY life. Your hatred of ME if fueled by YOUR jealousy of me. Nationwide CCW, nice pension, great benefits...what is it you do again?
     
  13. mountainman13

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    Hmm weapons specialist azl?
     
  14. EagleSix

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    ...gee, AZL, I can't wait until the time when you tell us how you really feel.....

    I think we are headed for some bad times, but then, we have been going down this bad road for quit some time already. Fortunately, this is the most resilient country on the planet. How much we can take before we implode is yet to be determined, but maybe we don't have as much time left as I would hope for.

    Outside of those local or regional emergency events, I think a financial collapse could trigger some national emergencies we have never encountered before, far surpassing the challenges of our fathers and forefathers. Yes, I prepare, on a daily basis for the bad times....shouldn't we all? I also, the best within reason, prepare for the possible extremely bad times.

    With that said, AZL, I think your rant pretty much pins the tail on the donkey! If it ever comes the time we have the need for paramilitary groups defending a compound, arm-chair commandos raiding the neighbors, and the total lack of law and order......it will be a country and world so far removed from the comforts we now enjoy, not even a Hollywood movie will do it justice. Course when those commandos run out of food and water and try drinking and eating those AR's, Glocks, and AK's.....it will not be long before that threat decays in the desert sun.

    Those who speak so easily on the internet of waging war against other countryman, most likely are either idiots, physcos, and/or have never faced off in combat. Having 60 plus, so called commandos/warriors, pinned up in a compound with no inside or outside support personnel is a plan doomed before it even gets started.

    Nothing wrong with training and preparing, but "training" is a broad term used by many to describe shooting at targets on a "1 way range", with complete disregard for the reality of fighting. When I hear statements similar to, "I'm completely confident, we can train, and defend our compound".......it's hard for me to keep a straight face! Battle is 1% about exchanging bullets and 99% about labor....that is hard work.......hey all you armchair commandos, have you trained for hard work lately??

    I don't degrade anyone without combat experience, actually I envy them. But it often does appear that the loudest mouths about shooting the place up come from those armchair commandos who have indulged to much training time watching Tom Cruise and Steven Seagal, and claiming to be highly trained, when actually their fighting skills (...read, lack there of!....) come from watching endless hours of YouTube videos!

    Nothing I have said should reflect any disrespect for our military veterans, as I hold them in high regard with the utmost respect. As well as our public servants, our local, county and state police, firefighters and emergency medical emt's and paramedics. On the other hand, if you are a "wannabe claiming to be"......I have the utmost disgust for you, and you know who you are!

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  15. AZL

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    I will never speak against preparing...that would be stupid. In fact I advocate it strongly. But as you say, the focus MUST be based in logic and common sense. Take the mormons for example...I don't agree with their religious beliefs...but they have a lock on the preps practices. Learn from them, and it won't be long before you can weather a very very long "dry spell".

    If you focus on your family, or SMALL group of trusted fridns or neighbors, your chances of realistically making it through go up exponentially.

    The fallacy of the large commando force is just that. I liken it to this: How much material support does a single infantry platoon require? Figure what 44 men in an average platoon? What is the number of people in supply, transportation, water treatment, etc...etc ...etc...required to support a platoon? Thinking of it in those terms gives you a whole new perspective on the post apocalyptic Rambo wet dreams.

    I like your point about watching Seagall, cruise, and the plethora of youtube vids out there and calling yourself "trained".

    Thanks Six.

    I will see you in the mountains this summer. Take the boat to Big Lake, and go after the elusive trout.
     
  16. mountainman13

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    +1 on the mormons. They have great info for the shtf senario. They know a good water filter when they see it and suggest food stores for over 3 years I believe.
     
  17. EagleSix

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    I am surrounded by LDS and it is an advantage. They do "live" the prepared life and they will offer a helping hand, but they will not turn the cheek......they will stand their ground!

    At the very least about 44 adults, and they need another 22 adults to care for them, and the 22 need another 11 to care for them.....etc, and this needs to be perpetual support......with constant recruitment and training in support skills and chores. There are some short cuts in providing support, but for a long haul, It is overwhelming for those focused on the best tactical sling for their new wam-bam AK, or hitting a stationary human sized silhouette target on the move!!

    I guess I better start shopping for a fishing pole!! I look forward to it.

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  18. lallysm

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    AZL I am glad to see your elaboration in the later post and I agree with you. I believe prepping is a great use of money not entirely weapons and ammo but a stockpile of basic food like MREs to last a full family a month or more as well as defense for your family. The basic event you could cite is Katrina or the tornadoes in Alabama which were followed up by looting and food and water shortages. Basic shooting skills and defensive skills are never a bad thing to have as well.

    Along the lines of paramilitary it is ridiculous to prep a "commando force" would only be plausible post invasion of the United States which is unlikely with the technology that exists today. I believe you've hit the nail on the head in these areas.
     
  19. HockaLouis

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    Whatever blows wind up your skirt...

    Wouln't care to retire only on what a rank-and-file Arizona Trooper, who gave good officers a bad name and had no future there, earned when he was actually pretending to work (no less on his public pension). And that's despite the "gratuities" and leaving the cow out in the pasture. Hey, not long till the calf is out plowing the field if she isn't already, I'd wager, coming from such good stock!

    I guess some still don't fully comprehend your perspective though AZT, so, if I may... In brief it is: there are no real issues for anyone to worry about; even if there were they'll be short term and there's nothing we can do anyway; high, we're from the government and we're here to help or catch up to you eventually so you'd better think twice about not being a victim; resistance is futile.

    I think that attitude is anithetical to the very core of preparedness if not just self-preservation and common sense which apparently isn't as common as AZT.

    Where does the Man-boy's carp come from?
     

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  20. EagleSix

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    I think this is a good thread and really would like to participate and enjoy other informative and valued posts.......but the personal insults are not warranted and getting a little boring. Maybe Hock, you could take the high road and back off some......Thanks

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