Training that "counts"

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by BigByrd47119, Sep 9, 2011.

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  3. Never thought about it before

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  1. BigByrd47119

    BigByrd47119 New Member

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    Hello again everyone.

    I recently added a Diamondback DB380 to my firearms collection.The DB does not have a last round hold-open. This lead to me wonder...

    Do you keep a mental count of how many rounds you have left if your firearm while at the range? Its OK, according to the manufacturer, to dry-fire this gun, but in a training environment it seems to me that knowing how many rounds you have left in the gun is important. If we will preform as we train, it makes logical sense. I had never considered the possible merits of round counting before this as I would just wait for a slide to lock back. However, now I can see where this could be valuable.

    So, do you round count? No? Do you have a reason for either or?

    I know I will be.

    Thanks in advance.
     
  2. danf_fl

    danf_fl Retired Supporter

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    I don't "round count" most of the time. I use the empty weapon to see if I have developed a flinch when practicing (by trying to squeeze one more round) and to practice mag changes. I vary how many rounds I have loaded in each mag and lay them out, grabbing any mag at random.
     

  3. NOVA

    NOVA New Member

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    I voted no, but really there should be another option in your poll: "SOMETIMES"

    I can imagine a situation , say in Home Defense, where you would not want to empty your mag until you know the threat is gone or unless you have an extra mag. I have no formal training in that scenario, so hopefully others will post their opinion on it and we'll all get educated.

    On the other hand, counting rounds implies thast the shooter expects to have an empty gun. I can tell you from personal experience that assuming the gun is empty is a mistake you NEVER want to make. This is why the safest practice is to always assume every gun you touch is LOADED.
     
  4. BigByrd47119

    BigByrd47119 New Member

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    I'm looking at this from a purely tactical standpoint. Take for example the I-Hop shooting. What if there was 2+ gunmen and you couldn't get out without seriously compromising yourself. Assuming that a shootout occurs with breaks in the action. Because I'm carrying a .380 I have 2 extra mags with me. With one in the tube and two in the mag, its time for a reload if there is a break in the action. If I never train to keep count at the range, I would never remember to do it in a real world scenario. That's what I'm getting at I suppose.

    How many others practice this?
     
  5. Vincine

    Vincine New Member

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    God forbid you’re involved in a shooting incident, I would think you’d want to know where all your bullets are all the time, before and after they’re fired. If you’re low on rounds, and you have an opportunity to load a full magazine, why would you take the chance and wait till you were empty hoping you’ll get another chance then?
     
  6. BigByrd47119

    BigByrd47119 New Member

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    That's the purpose of this thread. Do you practice counting rounds so that in a shtf situation you would naturally know how many rounds you had (and know if you should reload)? If you don't practice it, I don't think you would do it in a real life or death situation.
     
  7. Toll13

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    I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself one question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?
     
  8. silverado113

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    I agree on the sometimes option but I voted yes because I do round count sometimes. However the way I look at it, is in a shootout I would be worried about putting rounds down range and on target. As a Marine I can't count that high anyways....lol no but really if you haven't been in a firefight believe it or not it is kind of like slow motion and muscle memory takes over more than anything so practice, practice, practice and when you think you are good practice some more!
     
  9. therewolf

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    I count. Carefully.

    The reason is my favorites, the rimfire 22s, can be damaged if you

    dry fire them.

    It doen't hurt to get in the habit with all the guns, then counting for the .22s

    is a habitual, reflexive, muscle memory action, like checking to see if a

    gun is loaded every time...
     
  10. silverado113

    silverado113 New Member

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    Treat Never Keep Keep = Treat every weapon as if it was loaded, Never point a weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot, Keep your finger straight and off the trigger until you intend to fire, Keep the weapon on safe until you are ready to fire. 4 safety rules. Rule for Gunfighting = Be polite. Be professional. Be Courteous, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.
     
  11. usmcprofessional

    usmcprofessional New Member

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    ..wait-really? i thought a lot of us round count. i mean shouldnt that be a main stay for training? i know everyone leans on the M4 "meah, the bolt stays open. im good." hell this makes me feel better training with an AK. if you dont round count with an AK youre askin for it.
     
  12. AOK

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    I've been exposed to different school of thoughts. IMHO in a life/death situation you will likely not be counting rounds. I've come to agree with the school of thought to top off your gun when you can, not when you have to. So during large portions of my training or practice (whichever you would like to call it) I work on tac-loads after the "threat(s)" are neutralized and I have scanned the area for additional threats. If I go to slide lock I jam a new mag in and get back in the fight if the threat(s) still exist.
     
  13. GlockStar

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    I have seen the advantages to this, as such I have also "tried" it. I use the parenthetical version because I must have ADD or something. I get 4 or 5 rounds in and forget that I'm counting:p
     
  14. Thadeuce

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    Here's something to think about: If you are counting rounds as you fire them, are you truly concentrated on hitting your target? If you're only shooting with a part of you (the other part is counting), do you expect to shoot your best? If this is how you train, only shooting with part of your attention, how can you expect to totally involve yourself in a SHTF situation?
     
  15. rockhouse

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    There are situations where round counting is valuable so it is worth practicing. I do it in a simplified fashion though. What I mean by this given 10 rounds I would fire in 2 round burst and count to 5.
     
  16. PerpetualStudent

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    I do see the wisdom in keeping track of round count but I also see how in such a situation there may be too many thing that take precedence.

    Interesting topic. Mist give it more thought.

    The Mind is like a Parachute. It only works when it's open.
     
  17. therewolf

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    Unless I'm shooting for distance, where it's shoot-look-shoot-look,

    I count.

    With the pistol targets(5 on a paper, 4 corners and center)

    try this- two at center, two at RH top, two at LH top, two at LH bottom,

    two at RH bottom. Gets you shooting different centers and counting at the same

    time...
     
  18. knfxda

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    I think that with a low round- count gun, I would definitely try to count, but with my 19+1 XD(m)9, I don't see a reason to do so. If I'm in a firefight that will empty my 20 rounds, I'm in deep $h1t, and would have to rely on my slide locked back or an opportunity to take cover!

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  19. RailRoadTom

    RailRoadTom New Member

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    If u do round count u can "tactical reload" if u do not u can only reload I count every shot . When the adrenaline starts pumping u forget every thing u told yourself u would do and only do what u have trained for so train hard my friends know your gun know your limits and learn how to count
     
  20. AOK

    AOK New Member

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    Why do you need to know how many rounds you have spent in order to do a tac load????