Training a Toddler

Discussion in 'Training & Safety' started by JonM, Dec 9, 2011.

  1. JonM

    JonM Moderator

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    went by my lgs this morning before picking up the wife at the horse barn for our range day. i went by to compare in person the size of my new agent to the new xdm 45acp compact. surprisingly they were pretty close in thickness and height. the xdm of course is slightly larger in those dimensions but not undoable. the slide is a half inch longer.

    anyway, there was a guy there with a 3-4 year old. the guy was handling every gun in the case. eventually he got to the lcp with a laser handed it to the toddler!! he said "whats a gun do?" the kid said "BOOM BOOM BOOM" pointing it down the isle...

    its morons like that who give good decent gun owners a bad name. now i know who is responsible for the extra 5$ cost on firearms for those gunlocks. *sigh*

    i did tell him that handing a gun to a toddler was the dumbest thing ive seen since obama's last state of the union address.

    my give a sht factor at this point for stupidity is pretty low
     
  2. fmj

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    I dunno, i think i would rate it a few notches lower than even that last state of the union address. (Thats saying something)
     

  3. winds-of-change

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  4. gwk4667

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    I have a 4 year old grand daughter and an 11 month old grand son - - - when the time is right I want to train each of them the proper uses and responsibilities of a firearm owner. Could this be at 5 years old?

    Might be but I doubt it.

    But it sure sounds like the young person there was way to young!

    Just because the person has the money to acquire a firearm does not mean they have the common sense to know what to do with it!
     
  5. Sonic82

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    You can't fix stupid.
     
  6. trip286

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    I let my kid handle some "youth" rifles as young as 4 years old.
    I kept a hand on the rifles myself (mostly to avoid a "you break it you buy it" situation).
    While doing this, I was checking for size and for fit, looking to find one suitable for him, alas; he was just too small even for a Cricket.
    Now that there are some rifles that fit him (he's six now) I just don't have the money laying around, but like I've said before, tax season is right around the corner!!

    My point is, I've let my kid handle some, but I've never let him play with them.
     
  7. fmj

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    Depending upon the maturity of the child, IMHO 5 is a good age to start the basics.

    My youngest and his Crickett...around 5 or 6 y/o

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  8. undumb

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    The parents are the only ones to make that decision, on an individual basis, my oldest I felt was ready at 8 my youngest was 10.
    I bought a .22 marlin from a pawn shop for $85 and took 6 inches off the stock with a hack saw, It was perfect for them. My oldest still uses the rifle 16 yrs later, just not held to his shoulder. When his daughter is ready she will learn with it too.
     
  9. bearcreek

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    Was the kid pointing it at someone?
     
  10. jon1992d

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    I recently trained my sister at 8 using a bb gun she know knows everythong there is about saftey with a firearm. We will have a pop quiz and warm up class next week when i take her to get her first cricket.
     
  11. kfox75

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    My wife and stepdaughter moved in with me when she was 5. Her mother would look at me like I was a total jack@ss when I would clean my guns in front of the child. Two years later, when she was seven I took them both out with me to the range and they both jumped in with both feet. Now the stepdaughter shoots trap in one of the local leagues and my wife is my hunting partner.

    after a few months I found out why my wife gave me such dirty looks when I had the guns out around her child. It seems her father would take her to his gun club and let her run around unsupervised during his visitations. That came to a screeching halt when I confronted him about that. Random welfare checks followed soon after, and she would always be over at her grandmother's while he was there.

    In the two years before they got into the shooting sports, I drilled firearms safety into their heads. By age 6 my stepdaughter could quote all of the rules of firearms safety, as could my wife. There are only 7 people in my life that I trust fully with a gun, they are two of them.

    As to the OP. If I had been in that shop I would have done the same thing. Azzholes like that DO NOT deserve to have children, much less firearms. Stupid sh!t like that is a big part of the reason it is such a pain in the @ss to get a pistol permit in my home state. It is also the reason that so many states have laws requiring those gun locks, some both in AND out of the safe.

    Jon, I hope the shop owner remembers him and refuses a sale for the safety of that child and others. I hate stupidity, and have to wonder if anyone else sees a child endangerment case in what occured. Sorry about the rant but, stupid people REALLY p!ss me off!:mad:
     
  12. 7point62

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    There's some wiggle room because you know the level of maturity of your own kid...but toddler? :rolleyes: I don't freakin think so.
     
  13. JonM

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    yeah they arent selling any firearms to that guy.

    the kid was in the cling to daddy's leg stage barely walking and sticking everything in the mouth. definately not enough comprehension to understand the word danger much less know not to run in traffic.
     
  14. JonM

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    at his dad...

    im not a good judge of toddler ages. but this one had the develepmont level of a kid just barely walking on his own.

    one other thing. im no lawyer but from what i understand in wisconsin it is illegal to give a handgun to a child under 14 even with parental permission and supervision. but im no lawyer. all the gun ranges i attend do not allow children under 14 to shoot handguns. so there may be something to it. but im not 100% on that.
     
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  15. gwk4667

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    If the child was there very long there is a good possibility of lead poison from the lead potassinate that is expelled from the primer.

    That is why the new OSHA and NRA rules say "no eating, drinking, smoking, putting on lipstick or chap stick" while on or near the firing line.

    Lead potassinate will settle on any surface and if the child touches it and puts his / her hands in mouth they get contaminated.

    If you are a male over 20 years old with a reasonably good diet ( not lacking in calcuim ) this will go into your blood stream with a half life of about 30 days so you would be clean in about 90 days.

    But if you are under 20 or have a less than healthy diet or female your body will think it is calcium and it will go to your bones. Half life there is 30 years so you will be clean in about 90 years!

    I do not allow any one under 16 on the line with out written permission from the parent and the parent must be present. I also make all people view the safety video at least once a year. I'm sure if the parent had come to my range this would not have happened.

    I also make all under 12 on the range wear both ear plugs and ear muffs! I wish these rules would have been in place when I went to the police range with my dad in the early 1950s.
     
  16. jon1992d

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    Are you a range officer? By any chance?
     
  17. bearcreek

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    I see. That does sound bad. If a person, no matter the age, has not been taught to handle a gun properly he shouldn't be handed one like that. It seems I would differ with several folks here on the proper age to teach kids how to handle and use guns safely and proficiently. In general, I believe kids should begin learning gun safety shortly after they learn to talk and they should be able to handle guns fairly proficiently at age 4-7 depending on the kid.
     
  18. fmj

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    Why i have an issue with state or fed law trying to govern parental duties!!

    A 12 y/o handling a .357 mag.
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    Right , wrong or indifferent. The kid knows how to handle a firearm safely!

    I realize there are MANY out there that DO NOT take their JOB as PARENT as seriously as some.
     
  19. winds-of-change

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    I was also told to wash your hands and face and blow my nose after shooting.

    I'm female. That info makes me nervous.
     
  20. gwk4667

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    Yes I have an NRA Range Safety Officer certificate ( 2 day course about 12 hours total ) and I attended ( and graduated from ) the NRA Range Design, Develpoment and Management 5 day intensive course in Buffalo last year- - - - Great course, worth every penny spent and every minute spent as well.

    My range is small and growing as I get funds as I'm not willing to borrow money in this economy!

    Everyone who works at my range ( even if they are just mowing grass ) has an NRA Range Safety Officer certificate or they will not be hired!

    With proper training and care you can be safe but if you don't know of the problem you can put yourself at risk. I have been to a range with the shooting line indoors shooting out the windows - - - people think all the lead goes out the window but they forget the lead potassinate from the primer and they have pots of chilli and drinks sitting out and smoking going on. There were at least 6 to 8 children under age 10 running all about, not handling guns but eating and drinking, that lead poisioning will last their lifetime!

    I went to the head person and was told they had been doing it this way for years and they are a private club and as such believe they do not fall under regulation.

    I feel the least of their concerns should be compliance - - I wonder how the children will be affected for the rest of their lives!

    I left the range and will not go back!