Tracers

Discussion in 'The Club House' started by dragunovsks, Mar 16, 2009.

  1. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    Since I was a little kid I was told that tracers were FMJ rounds with phosphorous paint on the tip that burns as the round goes downrange. Am I right? Also, since my dad was in the national guard he said they loaded their mags every third round being a tracer. Am I right?

    Got into an argument with some idiot on youtube that says tracers are completely hollow and filled with a filling that burns and comes out a tiny hole in the bottom of the round as it goes downrange. He says that tracers are lighter because during night fire excercises some of them richocet off the ground and that tracers aren't loaded every third round.

    Of course, I looked at his youtube channel and it is full of nothing but video games. What a noob!
     
  2. hunter Joe

    hunter Joe New Member

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    I wanted to shoot tracer rounds at our club, the only problem is that our berms are old tires covered with dirt. I guess old tires and tracer round aren't compatible. It be like the eternal flame and they probably yank my membership.
     

  3. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    The other dude is right, sort of. A tracer is half filled with an incendiary material that burns. They do frequently go sailing back into the air when the hit the ground or anything else.

    On linked MG ammo, every 5th round is tracer. There is no set SOP for tracer distribution in hand loaded mags. I loaded zero tracers per magazine, as they work both ways. Some guys would load one tracer at 25-28 rounds, as notification that their mag is almost empty. Others would load a tracer every 5th round. I knew one guy that would hoard tracers until he had a few mags worth, then he would fire nothing but tracer.
     
  4. anm2_man

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    Most Military tracers are designed to only light up at about 100-150 yards after firing. The reasoning is that you don't want to give up your position, but you do want to see what your going to hit. All Military tracers burn at the back of the projectile. This is so the shooter can see where its going. But the problem is if the projectile burns to quickly, the enemy can see your position. Tracers are filled with a phosphors material that is ignited from the burn of the power in the round that your shooting.

    DONOT shoot tracers in the National Forest (Its against the Law) nor should you shoot them on BLM land. Fires can be started in an instant. Only shoot them in approved areas (and there aren't many).
     
  5. SGT-MILLER

    SGT-MILLER New Member

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    I guess the noob wasn't entirely wrong, was he????

    :D

    Usually it's a 1 to 4 ratio in my military circles, but I don't use them. If I am firing night fire, I will have my NVGs on and my infrared on as well.
     
  6. Ubergopher

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    That is what I did, I also had a tracer as my third round that way if I needed to shift fire I'd have a clue which way to go.

    Luckily, except for the rounds I fired zeroing, I never used it.
     
  7. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    All of ours lit at about 20 feet out.
     
  8. matt g

    matt g New Member Supporter

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    You leave the illuminator on? That's worse than tracers.
     
  9. skullcrusher

    skullcrusher New Member

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    I just gotta get an opinion, what's worse:

    muzzle flash or tracers in low light conditions?
     
  10. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Used to keep one mag of tracer only (bottom inch painted red as reminder to my Mom's slow witted and only son) Only used if I needed to direct fire of team onto a particular point. Have been known to load NEXT to last round in a 45 magazine with tracer- when tracer goes downrange, mag is empty, pistol is not- drop mag, replace, continue to march.

    Have set more military ranges on fire with tracer than I like to think about. Now that I am a civilian of sorts, do not want Smokey the Bear coming after me with a bill for putting out the forest fire, so no tracers on the firing range.

    Recall lsitening to recording of radio conversation between patrol leader needing extraction, and helicopter pilot- who was asking for his position. "Do you see those GREEN tracers? "Roger" "Do you see where they CONVERGE? THAT'S ME !"
     
  11. c3shooter

    c3shooter Administrator Staff Member

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    Muzzle flash or tracers? TRACERS! Not only last longer (burn 1/4 to 1/2 second), they are 2 dimensional- draw a line in the sky.
     
  12. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    I guess he was, sort of. The problem is I've had them not light before and I figured it was because the paint on the tip was wore off. I bought a box for my sks and the paint on about half of them was wore off and most of them didn't light.

    He also said that they were richoceting because they were lighter, which I don't believe as there are objects that bullets won't penetrate and what happens to a round when it hits said object? It richochets.

    I guess I was sort of wrong and he was sort of right?
     
  13. dragunovsks

    dragunovsks New Member

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    Forgot to say, my tracers always lit at about 20 feet from the gun also. I don't shoot tracers unless it's been raining. I fired a few at my dad's house from the prone position from my sks on it's bi-pod and watched as it flew straight up into the air about 200 feet. The last time I fired any it had been raining for a week prior to that day and was very sloppy. That day my right rear truck tire slipped off the driveway and sank 3 inches while I was turning around.
     
  14. WDB

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    Never used the painted trace rounds but they do/did exist but not that effective as they show trace from the gun position and burn out fast. Only used the phospate rounds, they are lighter and not expected to be on target round but light up the direction of fire. As I know it is three live rounds and a trace.
     
  15. cpttango30

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    after running hundreds of night fire ranges. If tracers are richosheing then all the others are too.

    Muzzle flash from an m-16 is almost non-existent. I got a camcorder from a buddy once because I wanted to film a night fire at fort hood. It didn't have the night vision so there was nothing but a bunch of noise and a blank screen. Not even the tracers showed up on it. But if you were standing on the firing line you didn't see muzzle flash all that much either unless you knew exactly where to look.

    I Hated NVG's and shooting with them on was an even bigger pain in the ares than shooting with an NBC suit on. NVG's were good for one thing trying to get me killed.
     
  16. SGT-MILLER

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    matt g posted:
    Not too worried about it in regards to our current opposition. If we go against somebody that has the same level of equipment, then the rules of the game change a little. If the bad guys don't have NVGs, then they have no clue.

    It's a great way to mark an area for air support too. :D

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87hXgg9HVgU"]YouTube - Night Vision helo assault on insurgeant hideout[/ame]
     
  17. franklin67

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    Piney Mountain has a painted tip 22 tracer that we used to fool around with at the range. They wouldnt work well with semi-autos, but with bolt action rifles they were much fun--until a senior range member told us they were a big no-no. Privately he told us that if we come some evening after a nice rain, we could knock ourselves out if no other senior members were around. So, right now Im hoarding some 40 cal tracers that I can use in my carbine this spring. Let it snow!
     
  18. unknownhero82

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    i have about 40...errr well like 30 now rounds of 7.62x54r tracer rounds...outta the 10ish i shot only like 3 or 4 actually lit up...i feel alil ripped off lol...just thought i'd share since i saw the thread lol :D
     
  19. c3shooter

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    Gents- the PAINT of the tip of the bullet is NOT the tracer. It is the key to what KIND of bullet you have- and the color code varies from country to country. In the US, standard red was tracer, black was AP, but then started getting complex- there are duplex (two bullets in one case) Armor Piercing Incendiary Tracer, frangible bullet, and I have one pretty little 9mm for the AT-4 subcaliber trainer that looks very patriotic- red, white, and blue (subsonic 9mm loaded to duplicate trajectory of the AT-4 rocket)

    Even if the paint is worn off, the tracer or incendiary component is still inside the bullet. It is ignited by the powder firing. Tracers pretty much go where the ball goes- their purpose is to show you where your bullets are going!

    PS- clean your bore well after shooting tracer.
     
  20. unknownhero82

    unknownhero82 New Member

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    what would green tipped be?