Today's senate committee hearing on gun control legislation

Discussion in 'Legal and Activism' started by StainlessSteel215, Mar 7, 2013.

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  1. StainlessSteel215

    StainlessSteel215 New Member

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    I have faith that the bills on the table today will not pass.....and some of the GOOD amendments will. I do support the bill that states you must go through an FFL for any gun transfer. That one seemed to garner almost full support from all Senators. Im a strong supporter of that bill, and if a couple of the bills have to pass I hope thats one of the only ones.

    I watched Feinstein speak and as usual she's 100% behind her proposals and unwilling to amend any of them. This is not news. But today she seemed to place EXTRA significance on military style features on rifles as being "not cosmetic, but dangerous and effective at killing humans". And of course magazine capacity.....and how the Tuscon Arizona tragic shooting of Gabby Giffords was averted because the shooter had to pause and reload a new magazine. She's fixated on those 2 major issues. She was met with opposition from Sen Lindsay Graham of SC and 2 Texas Senators who's names I didnt catch. They spoke intelligently and with conviction. It seems that those senators on the fence finally understand that these bills could have DRASTIC effects on our Constitution.

    Amendment 13115 proposed by Sen xxxxxx lifts any ban on former military and LEO from owning assault weapons. Feinstein had a problem with it of course.....with "the advent of PTSD" and is trying to keep them OUT of their hands as a result of duty stress.

    Have faith guys, these bills need to pass with full support in the Senate to gain any traction, because they will almost certainly get struck down in the House. So far, its 50/50 in the Senate.

    Stay tuned
     
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  2. onenut58

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    So you are behind doing away with face to face gun deals? Like your dad leaving you a gun and now you will have to go down and register it with the atf so its on a list they can use to come take it away from you later on?If you have a few guns you want to sell and go rent a table at the gun show ,you want to see this done away with ?
    Why would you come into a gun forum and promote gun control?
    I sincerely hope if these laws are put in and just another chip in the iceburg that when they do come looking for registered guns that you lose every single gun you own.
    There are NO "GOOD" bills from the gun control nuts.
     

  3. CaseyChadwell

    CaseyChadwell New Member

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    The government has no need and damn sure has no right to know what I own when I have a right to own it. The first step in confiscation is registration...it's a historical fact. If they want to know what I own, they can try and take them from me, then and only then will they have any idea of the firearms and amount of ammunition that I own.

    If we give into registration, you might as well tell your grandkids "one day the rifle you learn to shoot with will be melted down into scrap metal, long before you have a chance to own it." We can't give in no matter what the "control" is. We have to keep voicing our concerns for what is right by the constitution.
     
  4. CaseyChadwell

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    The problem with "guns that kill people" isn't the gun. Its the warning signs that society has ignored. Just this past week a man in neighbouring Indiana (Clarksville Indiana) was arrested for killing and raping a 17 year old girl. This murderer was scum of the earth and was being investigated by Louisville metro police dept. For sex crimes at the time of the murder.

    Another man in Louisville killed his roommate recently. This man has been tried and convicted of murder two other times since 1986 and has been released after both times. When you let a murderer out of prison once and he kills again, why in the hell would you allow him the opportunity to murder another person the second time? In any of the cases background checks wouldn't have helped save a life. Law enforcement at all levels could have stopped it by doing their jobs a bit faster and a bit better. The errors of their ways should never be repeated again...but I'm sure they willl. Some people just can't take a hint...some people think even the most evil men can change, even when they get proven wrong time and time again.
     
  5. StainlessSteel215

    StainlessSteel215 New Member

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    No, dont attempt to paint me with that pro-gun control brush dude. Not happening, nice try.

    Yes I am 110% behind official FFL gun transactions and you are an idiot of you think the ATF has ANYTHING to do with a simple gun transfer. Thats your 8th grade conspiracy theory mind at work. Your FFL runs a mandatory state police background check on the transferee and thats it. Done. Oh, that is somehow a huge burden in your life? Well....it is done this way to stop illegals from handling guns that they have no right to. Suck it up pal.

    Some of you proved you cannot read at an adult level because NOWHERE in my post did I mention registration. FFL transfer has nothing to do with that. Nothing.

    This would close loopholes at places like gun shows where people who get turned down in their home state simply attend gun shows in the next state over, and can walk out with any type of firearm they want. Thats reckless, irresponsible and can be VERY dangerous. I say the blood is on YOUR hands if you put profit before principals and sell guns privately to any good old boy that YOU deem to be responsible....and he goes on to kill

    Not everyone is your cousin/brother/uncle who has good intentions buddy. Dont be naive. Im as big a 2A supporter as ANYONE but right now there are 1 or 2 things that could be improved upon.
     
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  6. sc00ts

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    How do you prove that you went through a background check when asked? Are you going to have the bill of sale in your pocket with your hunting license, in your car, in your wallet with you CCP? I'm sorry but you are extremely naive when it comes to the MO of progressives. They work in small increments. They tell us now there will be no registry, but when it proves I unenforceable they will amend the law to include it. Then what happens? "I'm sorry sir, we need to confiscate that AR-15 for "public safety". Not on my watch.
     
  7. StainlessSteel215

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    Your purchase records are on file, plus you are supposed to keep your paperwork on EVERY gun you purchase as proof. Always.

    Your statement though is EXACTLY my point about selling guns to people that you dont know for a fact would pass a background check. You dont know, thats why you buy/sell/transfer using a licensed FFL
     
  8. locutus

    locutus Well-Known Member Supporter

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    You're wasting your time, SS. You can't use reason against the closed, fanatical minds that consider any disagreement, even the slightest, makes you a dirty low down no-good. anti-gun sunuvabitch..
     
  9. StainlessSteel215

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    I know it Loc....and I dont know why I allow my blood pressure to spike with some people.

    For Christ sake some people just cannot fathom the concept of a LEGAL gun transfer without lumping it into the registration/anti gun agenda! I would not be here posting about anti-gun laws....this is one pretty common sense and could help prevent DOZENS of illegal purchases at gun shows. Many illegals and criminals have discovered the loophole and are exploiting it every week. Get turned down in their home state.....drive 2 hours west and hit up the gun show and do a private sale. Done, you just armed a criminal because you chose profit before principals. By the way this bill got full support even from pro-gun Senators....

    some people are just clueless. I understand your frustration and unwillingness to give up your gun rights but this is not one of them! If you do things LEGALLY we wont have these anti-gun liberals barking up our dang tree so much!
     
  10. Missouribound

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    I have no problem with any legal firearm transfer, my problem is paying for it. Padding the pockets of FFL dealers just to take a gun from me and hand it to the guy next to me is crazy. I know there are illegal guns, stolen or straw purchased, but 99.99% of guns are in the hands of law abiding citizens, whether or not they were transfered by an FFL or it bought after a background check. At gun shows, where there is an overwheming police presence I can see it implemented....but for private sales? How would that work? If I want to pass my collection on to my son, does he have to fork over $20 for each gun? Let the government get involved and it will raise the cost rather than stop any criminal activity. That is the usual result of government interference.
     
  11. jgoertz

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    I went to a gun show a couple of weeks ago in Slidell, LA. As I was walking around I noticed a lot of vendors doing a NICS check and filling out the 4473's. I hadn't noticed this happening at the previous Slidell shows.
    I also saw several people walking around with handwritten FOR SALE signs taped to the muzzles of MSR's and to backpacks of ammo. This really didn't sit well with me. I asked myself if this was right, then also asked myself "why not?. I could not come up with a satisfying answer.
     
  12. StainlessSteel215

    StainlessSteel215 New Member

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    For the 3rd time....and my last on this thread....

    You ask "why not?"

    Well, you seem like a good enough guy JG, although I have no idea who you are......but what if the gang banger who just drove 100 miles to attend this show thought the EXACT same thing you did? Instead of wearing his gang colors and baggy sweat pants.....he put on a polo tee and slacks, shaves up a bit and looks presentable. Think the private seller would turn him down? No, many of these guys see money money money....

    There is your answer. Step outside of your little world and understand whats happening all over the country right now. Its about responsibility and doing whats right for the entire gun community so that the media starts to portray us in a more positive light. Sure an FFL transfer takes maybe 20 minutes and $30 but for that low cost you have just done the RIGHT thing, legally, and if everyone had to play by these rules there would be much less illegal gun purchases or straw purchases.

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  13. JWagner

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    So now folks want to put in an exemption for ex military and ex-LEO? Does that make the rest of us second class citizens? I think so. As for purchasing records being kept on file , that is a non-starter, as private sales involve zero records most of the time. I do not know the rules in PA , but here in AZ, we do not have to drive to the next state to make a private purchase; in fact that would be illegal. In many of the private transactions I have seen, the buyer usually shows a drivers license to the seller.
     
  14. StainlessSteel215

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    Exactly JW.....the bills Feinstein has put on the table are downright despicable. I think a group of vets need to create a class action lawsuit against her for the exact reason you said, she's trying to classify all combat soldiers past and present as mentally "unfit" to carry assault weapons. She wants all combat soldiers to fall under the PTSD umbrella. Thats discrimination at its best...against the people who lay their goddam lives on the line for us daily.

    In her sick mind, only cops and active duty should be allowed to own semi auto rifles.
     
  15. CaseyChadwell

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    I'm listening and I understand what you're saying completely. I think a lot of my opinions come from me not selling or buying firearms to or from people I don't know. If there was a clause in the bill where I could get a permit or license saying I was a lac then I would not be so against it.
     
  16. chloeshooter

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    I would never sell a gun to someone without a proper background check and/or FFL transfer. Law or no law. People that think this is infringement of their 'rights' don't understand how straw buyers get guns into the hands of criminals.....it s big business selling un-registered weapons. Not all criminals commit crimes with stolen guns.

    You taking garbage from somebody because you support responsible gun ownership is unfortunate. Especially on a firearms site. Fodder for those who would paint us red-neck idiots
     
  17. StainlessSteel215

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    Thanks for your posts Chloe and Casey. although I wouldnt lose sleep over some of the comments up top....I do personally find it important to discuss these things for all the reasons we discussed and if I can shed light on even 1 person who didnt fully understand the importance of these issues and walked away with a different outlook.....I'm happy.

    Is it sometimes a little frustrating to do the right thing? Sure. Does it cost a few extra bucks? Sure. But its ethically, morally, and lawfully the right thing to do for gun transfers to go through an FFL. There's just too much margin for criminal error and THEY KNOW IT.

    Unfortunately when you stand behind a principal you dont get to make exceptions for things like a dad passing guns down to his kids.....but there are a LOTTA folks out there that have been doing it the right way for a long time and they deserve kudos. In fact, I would say maybe 1/3 of the time I visit my LGS I see a new face coming in with a bag of guns from his/her recently deceased father who wants to either sell them legally, or transfer to their name legally. Ive also seen MANY gun transfers between 2 parties at the FFL dealers which is very encouraging.

    We need to follow the laws to keep the law on our side folks! We cannot succumb to the reckless, irresponsible demographic that some far leftists are trying so hard to paint us with. Us gun folks need to stick together, fly straight and do whats right on the right side of the law. Always. No exceptions.

    We can all do the right thing and profit....as buyers, sellers, dealers, etc.

    PRINCIPALS BEFORE PROFITS.
     
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  18. Missouribound

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    The enforcement of existing laws, prosecution, punishment and making all gun related crimes which involve injury a federal offense will do much more than a universal background check. 99.99% of gun owners are law abiding and a universal background check won't affect crime, just the ability of legal gun owners to obtain weapons from friends, family and private sellers. Criminals will always be able to find guns without any help from legal sellers. Laws are only as good as the enforcement put upon them. Less than 10% of gun arrests are prosecuted...and those are criminals, not law abiding citizens. Just like an attempt to ban assault weapons will do little to stop gun deaths, but it's a "feel good" law.
     
  19. StainlessSteel215

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    Miss - you are 110% right about our government agencies sitting on their asses and not enforcing many of the current laws and prosecuting crimes & reporting cases of mental illness to NICS. that system is broken and needs repair....but now with this goddam sequester we cannot rely on gov to step up and enforce many laws because they are about to slash over 500k government jobs!

    Anyways, lets focus again on my post about legal gun transfers and purchases through FFL.....as it pertains to fixing the private sale/gun show loophole. I do NOT support universal background checks/registration, none of us should. I DO support FFL transfers. PERIOD. Uggghhh some of you people seriously need to read before you start typing. This dance is getting old
     
  20. Tackleberry1

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    I don't think your pushing gun control but I also DO NOT support universal background checks for some simple reasons.

    Reason #1 is because they will do no more to curb illegal gun sales than our current system of checks... Our Government currently puts ZERO effort into prosecuting people who get rejected by the NICS despite the fact that it's a Federal crime to lie on the paperwork. Last year 77,000 attempted purchases were stopped, only 44 were "refered" for prosecution and a measly 14 resulted in convictions. To me, ^^THIS^^ proves that it's not about controlling criminal behavior... It is about burdening Law Abiding gun owners.

    Reason #2 Serious criminals like the gangbangers who are responsible for the majority of the mayhem will pay no more attention to UBGC's than they currently pay to NCIS... They will simply continue to send "Shenqua" who has no record into FFL's for straw purchases.

    Reason #3 I do not think it's remotely possible "even if criminals took part", to effectively have any system of UBGC's without demanding the registration of all firearms... Which is simply a bridge to far.

    UBGC's may sound like a reasonable compromise for keeping our AR's and Standard Cap Mags but it's NOT. It is actually the worst of all these proposals and posses the greatest risk to both those who would try to comply AND those who would justifiably refuse.

    Tack
     
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