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So, even though I know I'll get a lot of biased answers, I figured I'd ask this openly. I have a DPMS. It's worked flawlessly since I got it. It's just the basic model, the Oracle I think is what the model is. Anyway, during this hysteria I sourced a couple of the NFA polymer lowers. In searching for an upper I managed to secure a Spikes complete upper with Magpul furniture that is being delivered next week. I am only building a second for sale at this point, I can't afford to keep both. My question to you guys is, should I put the Spikes on the NFA lower and sell it, or should I take the upper off my DPMS and put it on the NFA and sell it and keep the Spikes for my DPMS lower for personal use. I know it sounds complicated moving all this around, but I'm a relative newb to the AR platform and don't have any prior experience with Spikes or any other manufacturer for that matter. I just know I hear Spikes in about every conversation about high quality stuff.

So one of these ways

1) Put the Spikes on the NFA lower and sell it
2) Put my DPMS upper on the NFA lower and sell it, and keep the Spikes upper mounted on my DPMS lower.
 

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nothing from dpms is collectable so splitting it up is no biggee. the spikes upper depending on the parts used should be a big upgrade to the oracle upper. i would shoot the spikes upper to make sure it works properly before selling anything.
 

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I agree with JonM. The Spikes upper should be light years beyond the DPMS. And the DPMS lower is much better than polymer. Test them together and if all is well keep them and pass on the lesser stuff. Also think about the LPK (including trigger/hammer), RE (milspec instead of comspec?), buffer, stock, etc. I'd keep the better stuff. You could end up with a near milspec carbine, basically keep the baby and throw out the dirty bath water.
 

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Just to hear from another standpoint. Sell the complete dpms. You get a lot more money for a complete factory build, not a frankenbuild. Use the NFA lower for now. Buy and replace the NFA later. Or build one for a 80% lower in the near future. Make the NFA into a dedicated range gun, or 22lr.
 

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Just to hear from another standpoint. Sell the complete dpms. You get a lot more money for a complete factory build, not a frankenbuild. Use the NFA lower for now. Buy and replace the NFA later. Or build one for a 80% lower in the near future. Make the NFA into a dedicated range gun, or 22lr.
3 months ago i would totally agree. but right now its a seller's market and if you are going to offload a mismatched set now is the time. anything that even looks like a ar15 is selling immediately for far more than what the going rate used to be. its not going to last long because the rifle manufacturers are going full tilt.

strike while the iron is hot as they say.
 

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Friend I hope this helps, you hear tons of "professionals" preaching the crap factor of poly lowers, (all though glock,springfield and countless others would argue) but i own several ar models and 4 of them are the early plumcrazy models. These are my work guns, they have laid in salt water in my boat, spent the winter in the bed of my ford , had too many cheap russian metal cases hammered out to count and the only part of these guns that still looks and works like brand new is the poly lower. Dont listen to people who sell themselves as ar gods all though they have never used one . I have made my living offshore for many years and I'm telling from first hand experience gained over many years, you CANNOT TEAR THESE THINGS UP.
BTW.....not knocking personal preference, some dont like the feel of poly, fine. Just tired of guru's calling somthing junk with no real world experience.
Hope I didn't offend anyone.
 

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Dang, got way off topic...sorry... I sold 2 lowers because they brought more and kept my cmmg uppers and poly lowers. The poly lowers dont sell for as much and i have wrung them out and like them better.
 

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All Im going to say is dont expect to make a fortune off of it , The rage has slowed down and premium prices were 3-4 weeks ago . Dealers are starting to get them back in and I see RRA tacticals being offered for $1250 otd and MMC mil specs for $1050 out the door . Be careful and dont get a bunch of money wrapped up in one it it will bite you in the ***
 

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I agree with JonM. The Spikes upper should be light years beyond the DPMS. And the DPMS lower is much better than polymer. Test them together and if all is well keep them and pass on the lesser stuff. Also think about the LPK (including trigger/hammer), RE (milspec instead of comspec?), buffer, stock, etc. I'd keep the better stuff. You could end up with a near milspec carbine, basically keep the baby and throw out the dirty bath water.
I tried to PM you earlier Quen. Your box is full, er it was at the time. That's kinda the thought train I had, except I've yet to see any real evidence of the polymer having any lacking qualities beyond peoples opinions. I've heard a couple folks say they had failures but the positives seem to have outweighed the negatives. I mean, even a good aluminum lower can fail. However, I have two of the NFA complete lowers so I have a backup if needed. I intend on keeping at least one of them, to at the least use for my .22 upper.

@Tikki I'm not ready to go through the 80% thing. I need a bit more experience on the platform before I go tinkering with that kinda stuff

@Jon and Havoc I've thought about that as well. It is definitely a sellers market right now, however I too am seeing the market begin to cool slightly and a lot of the outrageous prices have begun to trickle back down, though still high by most respects.

@polyman You and I have similar trains of thought. While many people seem to want to dam the poly right away, I have to look at it from all angles as I do everything in life. I see Glock being hugely successful in their endeavors and I think Polymer may have a bright future. That's the reason I have two of them, it gives me more options. The only thing i'm not wild about is the poly trigger components. And from what I've heard from those who've done it, apparently they aren't the most fun lowers to install an LPK into. I'd really like to see someone do a true realistic torture test to a few, not some random dumbass stick it in a press or toss it around the desert junk science tests.

At the end of the day, I only have $610 in the whole DPMS rifle so I know I can make some on it no problem. At the same time, the Spikes and the NFA i'd only have about $750 in. I'm not to deep in either to turn a profit. (and that's not even considering parting the spikes which would probably be quite profitable as well) I just want to end up making a little ground in what I have, as I'm always trying to increase quality and quantity of my toyz :cool:
 

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GP, sorry I never get around to emptying out my PMs...

The Glock was designed around a polymer lower, the AR wasn't. I love the Glock and have three. I'll take 7075 receivers when it comes to the AR, even if the AR god says polymer passes salt water torture tests.
 

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Friend I hope this helps, you hear tons of "professionals" preaching the crap factor of poly lowers, (all though glock,springfield and countless others would argue) but i own several ar models and 4 of them are the early plumcrazy models. These are my work guns, they have laid in salt water in my boat, spent the winter in the bed of my ford , had too many cheap russian metal cases hammered out to count and the only part of these guns that still looks and works like brand new is the poly lower. Dont listen to people who sell themselves as ar gods all though they have never used one . I have made my living offshore for many years and I'm telling from first hand experience gained over many years, you CANNOT TEAR THESE THINGS UP.
BTW.....not knocking personal preference, some dont like the feel of poly, fine. Just tired of guru's calling somthing junk with no real world experience.
Hope I didn't offend anyone.
On the contrary, you did wish to offend. I'm curious, why did plum crazy go out of business? And a few others that sold these lowers? :confused:
 

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No intent to offend, I have a habit of speaking to everyone like they were a friend and know me. To answer your question, plumcrazy didnt go out of business, they changed their name because of the multiple law enforcement and military contracts. Plumcrazy does not look good on a firearm in the hands of a highway patrol officer etc. All I was getting at was rather than jump on the AR purist elite band wagon, try one. If you are EVER in my neck of the woods drop me a line. I would be more than happy to turn you loose with one of mine for a day. Drop it, throw it, whatever, hell my boys have used them for bats when snakes get in the boat. Then shout your PERSONAL honest opinion. Just dont care for it, hate it, what ever.
 

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Guys, let Me start over. Life is too short to make enemies over such a small issue.
I like poly lowers.. Everyone who has used my rifles has ended up buying one as most all of my friends work and or live offshore. Those of you who have worked offshore know the lifestyle is about as rough on you and your equipment as it gets. Now I don't work for the poly lower establishment nor do I profit from their sales.
Having said that let me ask you guys a question, if you play baseball, passionate about the sport and you happened up on a new bat that increased your average would you not rush to tell all your friends? Thats all I was doing, some people hate poly and anyone who dares bring it up.
For the record I carry a 1911 Stainless, I dont care for glocks, just say'in.
Also I have unintentionally turned this thread in a different direction, My apologies. I should have said, keep the poly lowers, sell the others. The polys dont bring as much and are in My opinion as good or better. The extra money should come in handy for other parts you don't have.
 

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As long as you keep the Spikes Upper, the rest is up for debate. But the Spikes Upper will demolish the quality of the Oracle upper.
 

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Polyman69, I agree, no need to make enemies over this. We just disagree. I want a 7075-T6 receiver and you like polymer. To each his own. And that's the point, everyone here should make up their own mind. To me there have been too many questions with polymer AR receivers over the years so I'd never take a chance on one. I have fired a Carbon-15 that a buddy has quite a few times since 2008. It started out pretty good but has been hit or miss since. He lusts over my milspec builds and I've told him now is a good time to sell. Up to him of course.

Anyway I'll drop in this from another thread today. Glad you like them, though.

IIRC, there was a factory in Lake Havasu City, AZ around 2003 or so that made polymer lowers and complete ARs. Seems like their name was Progressive or something like that. They put out the Carbon-15 which soon acquired a bad reputation and they got in trouble finiancially. Bushmaster bought them out and took over the LHC plant and sold a new and improved Carbon-15 which soon after also got a lot of complaints. BM closed the LHC plant and moved C-15 manufacturing to their main Windham, ME factory. Of course last year they moved again to Ilion, NY and still sell the C-15 which may work now or may not. It seems hit or miss depending on who you talk to. So many questions...

A few years ago we hear of a company PlumCrazy which starts selling polymer lowers out of Lake Havasu City of all places. Hmmm??? What I remember about them initially was there were a bunch of rave reviews in all the gun rags (I remember an especially shameless shill review in Shotgun News a couple years ago). Then of course reports from folks who couldn't pass up a lower with LPK for $100+. Then what was really eyeopening was over time most of these folks quit bragging on their PlumCrazy and you'd even hear complaints here and there. Then they tried to change their name to PCF but soon after the company went bankrupt. Or did they? So many questions...

Then New Frontier/NFA of Las Vegas comes along and guess what - they're using the old PlumCrazy Lake Havasu City plant. They tout a Gen II model but who knows. Are they PlumCrazy rising like a Phoenix out of the ashes in the Arizona desert? So many questions...

There was really good company out of AZ called Cavalry Arms that sold an integrated lower/A1 stock. From all reports these things are strong but of course many folks want a collapsible stock. Cav Arms also went bankrupt but it was due to FFL violations not bad products. I understand a new company is selling the old Cav Arms lower now and it's quite good.

Bottom line, I think in normal times it's better to buy a milspec 7075-T6 lower and go from there. Right now times aren't normal so if desperate for a lower, maybe NFA is worth a try. And it seems to be an ideal lower for a .22lr upper. Otherwise, so many questions... That sums it up for me.
 

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Polyman69, I agree, no need to make enemies over this. We just disagree. I want a 7075-T6 receiver and you like polymer. To each his own. And that's the point, everyone here should make up their own mind. To me there have been too many questions with polymer AR receivers over the years so I'd never take a chance on one. I have fired a Carbon-15 that a buddy has quite a few times since 2008. It started out pretty good but has been hit or miss since. He lusts over my milspec builds and I've told him now is a good time to sell. Up to him of course.

Anyway I'll drop in this from another thread today. Glad you like them, though.
Amen Brother,
 

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Tell You something else, I'm dying to put a 6.8 upper on one of my poly lowers when the hype subsides I'm gonna do it, I'll be the first to let you guys know if it fails. I would feel like crap of someone got hurt using something I suggested.
 

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I have a question so you use it offshore , in the bed of your truck and etc , what makes it better for that than a aluminum lower ? I mean a good mil spec Alum lower will have hard anodized coating which is pretty resistant to most things. Aluminum isnt going to rust , yes it might get dinged up if you beat it to death . Just confused thats all , not trying to start a argument
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