Time for Optics

Discussion in 'AR-15 Discussion' started by Vertiviper, Mar 27, 2009.

  1. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    I tried a search but it kept giving my errors.

    I'm sure there's a million threads about which optics to purchase for an AR, so here's 1 more :D

    For an A3 flat top with intentions to shoot accurately to 100yards what's a good scope? I like those red dot ones but don't know which ones are of good quality and which ones are just overpriced?
     
  2. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Argh. Here we go again. :D

    You're right, we have been over this about a dozen times in the last 5 or 6 months.

    What do you want to do? Clear rooms? Or shoot 100 yard groups?

    Red dots and EoTechs and ACOGs are all good for close up, eyes open, close contact drills and fighting.

    They are not so much for stringing together 100 yard groups to see what the rifle can do. Most of the reticles will cover your 10 ring at 100 yards to be honest.

    A nice 3x9 power scope would be ideal for 100 yard work, and if you get some quick release ARMS, or similar, throw levers, you can pull it, snap on your Red Dot or Aimpoint, and go room to room. Or get a good set of folding BUIS ( Back Up Iron Sights ) and pull the scope, pop them in place and do your close range work.

    I have an EoTech on my CQB model, and I love it, but it's for street to street style engagements. I know I can hit minute of bad guy all day at 200 yards and that is all I care about for that weapon.

    If I were building a Tactical Support Weapon, I would want good glass on there though so I could make more pinpoint shots.....

    So the question is really application....

    Best of luck!

    JD
     

  3. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    Unfortunately I want both! hah

    I want the ability to clear a room and then go to the range and shoot tight groups :D
     
  4. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You got the flat top right?

    Did you float the fore end?

    How long is the barrel and what type of gas block / front site do you have?
     
  5. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    Exact specs:

    Upper Receiver Config: A-3 Flat top w/ Detatchable Carry Handle,
    Barrel config: Standard A-2 chrome moly HBAR (heavy) 16"
    Flash hider / Muzzle brake: A-2 standard
    Handguards: YHM 2 pc 4 rail handguard CAR,
    Charging Handle: With Badger Tactical Latch
    Buttstock options: 6 Position Buttstock
    Front Sight / Gas Blocks: YHM Flip Up Front Sight Gas Block
    Trigger Group Options: Two Stage Tactical Trigger
    Rear sight options: A-2 Upper with sights or No rear sight on Flat top A-3Pistol Grip Options: Ergo grip
     
  6. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Dude - Nice stick. You are halfway there already.

    Pick one of these for a folding rear sight to match the front site. Either the 9680 or the 9680A-1 ( personal choice ).

    That takes care of your SHTF sights.

    Next, you need to decide if you want glass, or you want an electronic, illuminated CQB scope.

    Or do you want both?
     
  7. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    lol "SHTF" sights

    I'm pretty set on something electronic...i've seen those EoTechs, they're naaassty...and pricey!
     
  8. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    You laugh now, but when your $500 EoTech takes a bullet with your name on it, or your batteries crap out, you will be happy you can snap it off with a couple of throw levers and pop up your BUIS with the push of two buttons.... LOL

    Well, then you need to decide what electronic scope you want, then get a set of quick release, return to zero mounts for it....
     
  9. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    In terms of electronic scopes or sights such as the EoTech, are there other (less pricey) options?
     
  10. Dillinger

    Dillinger New Member

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    Tons.

    Aimpoint
    Red dot
    ACOG
    Leupold's CQ/T - I think

    And a few others that I have in my favorites at home, but can't remember. I will try to post a few for you this weekend, but yes, there are a lot of heads up options that aren't $500....

    JD
     
  11. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    JD..you da man! As always I apprecaite and value your input greatly.
     
  12. Dillinger

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    No worries Double V - I expect to see you on my side of the lines when the Space Zombies come calling. :D

    I'll get you some links, and possibly some prices if I still have the stuff from SHOT, this weekend...

    JD
     
  13. Vertiviper

    Vertiviper New Member

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    i've been practicing the secret handshake ;)
     
  14. Bighead

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    You can get Trijicon ACOGs from 1.5X all the way up to 6X depending on what distances you think you're going to be doing most of your shooting at.

    Another option if you like the 1X CQB style sights is an EOTECH or an Aimpoint with a corresponding magnifier. This nice thing about this kind of setup is you can fund the 1X sight, and then come back later and buy the magnifier. They are not inexpensive, but this is one area where I feel like you get what you pay for. If you are thinking about taking your rifle into harms way then I would save for the best equipment I could afford that would be dependable. That might be a good set of irons for some people or an EOTECH with magnifier for others.

    I also agree with JD about getting backup irons, either flip-up style or a fixed style that you co-witness with your optic. The rifle I am plotting out right now will probably have a fixed BUIS by Larue Tactical & an EOTECH 557.

    This is the EOTECH with the EOTECH 3.5X Magnifier. It is on a quick transition, flip-to-the-side mount.
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    Here is the Aimpoint with the Aimpoint 3X magnifier:
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    Larue Tactical BUIS QD LT-103:
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    http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=29
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2009
  15. Cnynrat

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    I hope this isn't a stupid noob question, but what is the backup sight strategy with this EOTECH setup? It doesn't look like there is room for a flip up BUIS in the rear. I assume the magnifier is not electronic at all, so is the strategy that you just use the magnifier with the front BUIS in the event that the 557 fails?

     
  16. Bighead

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    Not a stupid noob question, actually an excellent observation. I didn't even notice the lack of BUIS in photos that I included in a post that advocates a BUIS. I got caught dividing my attention, first talking about magnifiers and then about Backup Iron Sights, without thinking about the two at the same time.

    If I was going to run the magnifier, I would mount a Troy flip-up BUIS at the back of the rail, then the magnifier, and then the reflex sight. It would look something like this:

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    Here's another good pic of a magnifier with a BUIS (it hasn't been flipped up). I'm going to link to it until I can get home and resize it.

    Link: Aimpoint with magnifier and B.U.I.S.

    Here is pic of the Troy Folding Rear Battle Sight FBSRA4:
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    Link: Larue Tactical: Troy Folding Battle Sight
     
    Last edited: Mar 30, 2009
  17. Cnynrat

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    Thanks, so it does all fit.

    I have one of the Troy Diamondhead BUIS that I'm going to put on my AR build in anticipation of adding a reflex sight later down the road. Not sure yet if I'll want a magnifier, but good to know there's room if need be.
     
  18. Dick Manley

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    You want something like this
    Millett 1-4x24 DMS Tactical 30mm Riflescope

    If you go this route. spend the money on a decent mout like a larue LT-104 or a ADM mount.

    I have both the Millet (with a LT-104 mount) and an Aimpoint M3 and they both work great at 100m. The Millet is primarily for use past 200m (three gun matches.

    You will still be able to make solild tight group hit at 100m with an Eo-Tech/Aimpoint and some practice. Devolop the skill dont use an optic as a crutch.

    -DM-
     
  19. snakyjake

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    How is the Millett different from Bighead's EOTech setup?