Thoughts on Sig Sauer 716?

Discussion in 'Auto & Semi-Auto Discussion' started by BlindOldMan, Aug 7, 2013.

  1. BlindOldMan

    BlindOldMan New Member

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    Hello All:
    I have the opportunity to purchase a Sig 716 Patrol. I searched the forums here but didn't see any hits. Anyone have thoughts on this rifle? I saw some reviews that looked pretty favorable, but it's on the high end of what I'm looking to spend.

    Thanks for any inputs.
     
  2. JonM

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    when i was looking at a 7.62 autoloader i went scar17 but thats even pricier than the sig.

    right now pmags for it are non-existent as magpul is moving and retooling the ls mag for a gen3 release. so they should be showing up in bulk soon.

    if you get it you wont be doing much if any modding as there arent a lot if any accessories swaps for it.

    im not a fan of the 556 version.
     

  3. bluez

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    I'd love get 716

    (BTW the SIG 516, which I own, the 5.56 mmm version is a MUCH different , and superior animal than the SIG 556, the SIG 516 is a terrific rifle but some folks confuse it with the SIG556).

    I been eyeing a 716 for a while now.

    Often I see them on sale for under 2K ;)
     
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  4. TheSadPanda

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    No experience with 716. But my 516 is pretty good. It needs a break in for the piston though.
     
  5. BlindOldMan

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    Thanks everyone for your thoughts.

    I thought about the 516 before getting the M400. May still pick one up if the price is right, but I'm still trying to muddle through learning this platform (I'm a bolt-action type with a fondness for wood grain and iron sights :p ). I've read AgentTikki's most excellent primer and will have a copy in hand when I choose.

    From what I've read, there are a few concerns I'd have:
    The M400 seems decently built, but there are a few niggles. For example, the stock has a bit of looseness. It's a collapsible type so this may be expected, but my thinking is that my rifle should be dead silent until it goes boom. I understand that the 516/716 have a spring-based tightening system that mitigates this looseness in other connection points that occurs with wear.

    Of the few that I've handled at my local gun store, the platform seems a bit front heavy. The 716 appears to have the center of balance shifted back closer to my shoulder than the others, however. The others did have some other doo-dads such as a front grip, a laser pointer **, and a ruggedized looking rail system.

    I'll ask the shop to take a look at a 516 today.

    ** The salesguy informed that the laser pointer is for PowerPoint presentations. Helps make the point a bit clearer and makes the suits pay closer attention.
     
  6. JonM

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    if you like wood grains and bolt guns why not the springfield 1903 or 1903A3 or maybe a m1 garand or M1A
     
  7. samnev

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    I own both the 516 and 716. I also have a number of there AR 10's but the SIG 716 is my favorite. Much easier to lug around than my DPMS SASS and LMT MWS. It is almost as accurate as either of the others and will shoot 1 MOA or better with my hand loads or 168 gr FGMM.
    As others have said don't confuse the 516 or 716 with the problematic 566 although my 556 is an early one with Swiss internals and Swiss barrel, Finished in the US, and have never had a problem with it of any kind. The 516 and 716 are completely different animals.
     
  8. sheller1773

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    How early is your 556?? I nought one Spring of 2008, have since sold it. Never had an issue either except for a 5rd magazine I used n the bench with it
     
  9. samnev

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    Sig 556

    Iam not quite sure but I believe it was late 2007. In any case its serial number was in the JS 3000 range. IIRC up to serial numbers up to the JS 6000 range gad the same type of internals and barrel.
     
  10. BlindOldMan

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    I picked up a 516 today. In the process of cleaning it now and taking it to the range on the weekend. I still have my eye on the 716, but will need to wait another month. They don't look to be scarce so I don't feel so badly about missing the chance to buy last week.

    Thanks all for your replies.
     
  11. bluez

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    Can't go wring with a 516.
    Love mine and the lower is nicer than a lot of other premium lowers IMO
     
  12. fordracing

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    What kind of break in period? What happens during the break in period? I haven't shot mine yet. Has anyone else noticed this?
     
  13. bluez

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    I haven't noticed any break in with my 516.

    Theoretically I would say its easier to short cycle with softer ammo if your moving parts (to include the piston system) are all new and unworn.
     
  14. TheSadPanda

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    I also noticed the 516 has an H buffer and not a standard carbine buffer. This could also explain the short cycling we are experiencing.
     
  15. fordracing

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    I know what short cycling is when talking about refrigerant compressors, but what does it mean when talking about rifles?
     
  16. TheSadPanda

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    Short cycling in AR platforms is when the bolt doesn't come back far enough to clear the magazine and allow the next round to be chambered. It's a cause of FTFeeds. Sometimes it doesnt even come back enough to eject the brass. This can be caused by a blocked gas tube or underpowered ammunition. A heavier buffer puts more resistance on the bolt as it comes back, so it takes more force to move it all the way to the back. The bolt not locking back on an empty mag is another possible sign of short stroking.

    This isn't exactly what I experienced with my 516, this is just a general statement about short-stroking
     
  17. bluez

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    it means when the charge of the exploding pwder in the bullet is not enough to fully cycle the bolt back enough to chamber the next round.

    You till get a bang but the next round is not chambered.

    In the ammo shortage alot of folks have fired softer ammo like Tula 223 and see short cycling in premium carbines balanced for full power 5.56mm ammo.

    There IS a difference in charge between 223 and .556. When I fire PMC breanze 223 or PMC Xtac556 the muzzle flash and report are noticeably greater with the 5,56
     
  18. fordracing

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    Thank you both for the explanation.
     
  19. hq357

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    What is a sig 516 and 716? Do they look like the sig 556 ? or do they look like AR 15s? Post a pic! :)
     
  20. bluez

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    they are both different and superior.
    the 556 is interesting rifle for a collection but the 516 (in 5.56mm) or the 716(in 7.62) are superior products IMO.

    I will post a pic of my 516 when I get home : )